Posts by Voyager

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Oroborus21:

What is clear, is that once again you speak with (NO) documentation! What part of the word (documentation) don't you understand?

We will be expecting that Watchtower letter as soon as you get it!

Thanks!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

I appresiate your comments because you make a lot of sense in your knowledge of the Watchtower. They expect perfection from their members in all affais that are made, and yet they themselves are liars and hypocrites.

I can see that your not a person who is going to be fooled by those who try to ignore the facts and continue to see things through the Watchtower's tinted sun-glasses.

There have been many who have come to this forum who took sides with the Watchtower, only to be shocked at a later date, when they found out that the Watchtower admitted to some of these acts of hypocrisy.

Many who refused to believe the Watchtower's relationship with the United Nations, were shocked later to see the word (register) in the Watchtower's own letter, indicating that there was certainly a lot more involved than trying to get a library card.

Thank you for your insight!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

No your not silly Taylor. Many of us feel the very same way that you do.

Oroborus21 has still shown us (no) evidence or documentation. So here is some more for Oro, from the Watchtower's own words:

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Beneficiary:

Watchtower/1986/Dec/1st/page-30/

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INSURANCE: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life-insurance policy. Bank savings accounts can also be placed in trust for the Society. In either case, the Society should be informed.

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WILLS: Property or money may be bequeathed to the Watch Tower Society by means of a legally executed will. A copy should be sent to the Society.

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Watchtower/1987/Dec/1st/page-30/

· INSURANCE: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life-insurance policy or in a retirement/pension plan. The Society should be informed of any such arrangements.

· TRUSTS: Bank savings accounts can be placed in trust for the Society. If this is done, please inform the Society. Stocks, bonds, and property can also be donated under an arrangement to benefit the donor during his or her lifetime. This method eliminates the expense and uncertainties of probate of will, while ensuring that the Society receives the property in the event of death.

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Watchtower/1988/Dec/1st/page-26/

INSURANCE: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life-insurance policy or in a retirement/pension plan. The Society should be informed of any such arrangements.

· TRUSTS: Bank savings accounts can be placed in trust for the Society. If this is done, please inform the Society. Stocks, bonds, and property can also be donated under an arrangement to benefit the donor during his or her lifetime. This method eliminates the expense and uncertainties of probate of will, while ensuring that the Society receives the property in the event of death.

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Watchtower/1989/Dec/1st/page-26/

· INSURANCE: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life-insurance policy or in a retirement/pension plan. The Society should be informed of any such arrangements.

· TRUSTS: Bank savings accounts can be placed in trust for the Society. If this is done, please inform the Society. Stocks, bonds, and property can also be donated under an arrangement to benefit the donor during his or her lifetime. This method eliminates the expense and uncertainties of probate of will, while ensuring that the Society receives the property in the event of death.

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Watchtower/1990/Dec/1st/page-23/

· INSURANCE: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life-insurance policy or in a retirement/pension plan. The Society should be informed of any such arrangements.

· TRUSTS: Bank savings accounts can be placed in trust for the Society. If this is done, please inform the Society. Stocks, bonds, and property can also be donated under an arrangement to benefit the donor during his or her lifetime. This method eliminates the expense and uncertainties of probate of will, while ensuring that the Society receives the property in the event of death.

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Watchtower/1985/Dec/1st/page-22/

Oftentimes, though, individuals prefer to let the branch office determine how the money will be spent, since those brothers know which need is the most pressing. One contributor wrote: "Please find enclosed check for the Society to use as they see fit in furthering the preaching work. We?re very happy to see the fine increase due to the efforts of all of Jehovah?s people with Jehovah?s blessing on the work."

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Watchtower/1991/Dec/1st/page-29/

· WILLS AND TRUSTS: Property or money may be bequeathed to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania by means of a legally executed will, or the Society may be named as a beneficiary of a trust agreement. A trust benefiting a religious organization may provide certain tax advantages. A copy of the will or trust agreement should be sent to the Society.

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Watchtower/1992/Dec/1st/page-27/

WILLS AND TRUSTS: Property or money may be bequeathed to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania by means of a legally executed will, or the Society may be named as a beneficiary of a trust agreement. A trust benefiting a religious organization may provide certain tax advantages. A copy of the will or trust agreement should be sent to the Society.

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Thanks!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Oroborus21:

Once again you speak with (NO) documentation! Your opinions and assumptions are useless! We want to see your documentation! Prove what you say is true with something in black and white!

Provide us a letter from the Watchtower Society denying that they have never taken donations from Phillip Morris! You are wasting your time until you present us with some documentation! Proof!

We will be waiting for that letter from the Watchtower Society that you can scan for us here, and until you do, then your words are just nothing but hot air!

Prove it!

Thanks!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

In any case, certainly the Society is not responsible for the Trust Settlor's business affairs or decisions

Not responsible? I beg to differ! From their own words, see the Watchtower/1983/Dec/1st/page-22/ which states, quote:

"Donations received by the Watch Tower Society are acknowledged by letter.

The watchtower knows (exactly) where those donations are coming from, and they correspond by (letter) for each donation!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Taylor:

Well said Taylor, and my congratulations to you for standing your ground!

Thanks!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Oroborus21:

Documentation! Where is it? Don't expect us to rely on (assumptions) and your (opinions)! We want to see documentation! Where is this documentation to back up your statements and claims?

We have provided documentation! You have not! Your case is weak without it!

We invite you to write to the Watchtower Society and post for us a letter denying that the Watchtower Society is not, or never has, received donations from Phillip Morris!

Remember, the Watchtower/1993/Feb/1st/page-30/ states, quote:

"Tobacco is, in its very name and associations, filthy, and?taking no heed of the harm it does?how can clean, pure, just, moral feelings and actions originate or be developed in the mind."

So are you expecting us to believe also, that the Watchtower is (not) associated, when their name appears as a beneficary of such a company?

We will expect that Watchtower letter just as soon as you can get it. OK!

Thanks!

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Young Pioneer Sister desperate for assistance..any advice?

by Gill in

i have a son aged 19. he's a bit of a handsome devil at the best of times and the young ladies have always been ... how can i put it nicely.... fond of him.

but having said that he's always very friendly with everyone.

we used to go to a congregation a few miles from where we live now when he was a tiny child and he was friendly with the kids there.

Voyager

candidlynuts is absolutely right only in my opinion. Let her make her own decisions, and see where things go from there, and try to be supportive.

In most cases, if she put up Christmas decorations, then her family won't be putting up with that for long. They have probably (already) reported her to the other elders. I hope things work out for the two of them.

Thanks!

12

Watchtower floaters

by Ticker in

jw
friends

reading hollys post made me think of this one.

i was wondering who all has left the org.

and then in time due to whatever circumstances(guilt,indoctrination,family,elder pressure,etc.

Voyager

I have known of a few who left the organization for 6 months or a year, and went back. But when they got back, no matter how hard they tried to progress, they were always (judged) on their (past), and not what they were doing at that particular time.

They always felt like they were on probation or something of the like. They always felt not really accepted, except to turn in time. They were never invited over to other witnesses homes for dinner. They were made to feel un-welcome in certain car groups. They were rarely called upon to give answers at the meetings.

Finally after breaking their backs to make some progress, they were left with only weakness, that caused them to leave again. Very sad!

There is an old saying that many witnesses who left used to say, and that is quote: Jehovah will forgive, but Jehovah's Witnesses will not!

After 45 years in the organization, I saw this many--many times!

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Voyager

Taylor:

Hi Taylor! Please also copy this for your records. Just because the Watchtower disassociated themselves from the United Nations, this (does not) mean that they disassociated themsleves from some of their (other) Political memberships!

The Watchtower Society has been a member of the (Armenian National Committee of America) for several years, and are still listed as such. I will list the thread for ANCA for you below, and when you get to the actual page, they are listed about 1/2 the way down. Their name will appear like this---below:

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Go here and scroll down: http://www.anca.org/action_alerts/actionalerts.php?aaid=16

http://www.anca.org/action_alerts/actionalerts.php?aaid=16

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IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS LISTED BELOW:

PLEASE NOTE THE NEXT TO THE LAST LISTING:

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Key Legislation
Congressional Report Cards
Armenian Caucus

HELP ENGLAND'S ARMENIAN COMMUNITY STOP THE EXCLUSION OF THE GENOCIDE
FROM HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY
An action alert circulated by the Committee for the Recognition of
the Armenian Genocide british_armenian@h... London, England
(12/13/2000)

Current Status
England's Armenian community needs your help.

January 27th has been set aside by the British government as
Britain's first Holocaust Memorial Day.

The official purpose of this commemoration is to "promote education
and research about the Holocaust and other genocide... to make sure
that the lessons of such events are fully learnt."

As a matter of policy, however, our Government has chosen to exclude
any mention of the 1.5 million men, women and children killed in the
Armenian Genocide.

The reasons cited by the British Government for not including the
Armenian Genocide were that its mention would somehow detract from
the "contemporary relevance" of the commemoration and risk diluting
its message by including "too much history."

Last Updated: 1/30/01
What You Can Do
Contact the Holocaust Memorial Day organizers, members of the
Steering Committee, and others involved in the planning of this
commemoration.

A sample letter that you can "cut and paste" is provided below,
though it would be more appropriate and have more impact if you write
your own letter. If you prefer to communicate by telephone, a sample
phone script is provided.

(Send a note to british_armenian@h... to tell us what actions
you have taken and to inform us of any responses that you
have received.)

List of Organizations to Contact

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1) The official website for UK's Holocaust Memorial Day is:
www.holocaustmemorialday.gov.uk

Please visit this site and send a letter to the organizers of this
commemoration.

2) Contact the official government departments involved in this issue:

-- Race Equality Unit
Home Office,
50 Queen Anne's Gate
London SW1H 9AT enquiries@h...

-- Department for Education and Employment
Sanctuary Buildings
Great Smith Street
London SW1P 3BT
www.dfee.gov.uk

-- Department for Culture, Media and Sport
2-4 Cockspur St
London SW1Y 5DH
www.heritage.gov.uk

-- Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Post-Holocaust Issues
King Charles St
London SW1A 2AH

-- Inner Cities Religious Council (ICRC)
Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions
4/K10 Eland House
Bressenden Place
London SW1E 5DU
Tel: (020) 7944 3704
Fax: (020) 7944 3709
Email: icrc@d...
www.detr.gov.uk

2) Contact the following non-governmental organizations involved
in this issue:

-- Aegis Genocide Prevention Initiative
The Aegis Trust
PO Box 2002
Newark, Notts. NG22 9ZG
Tel: 01623 836978
Fax: 01623 862950
Email: jmsmith@a...
www.aegistrust.org

-- Amnesty International
99-119 Rosebery Avenue
London, EC1R 4RE
Tel: 020 7814 6200
Fax: 020 7833 1510
Email: information@a...
www.amnesty.org.uk

-- Anne Frank Educational Trust UK
PO Box 11880, London N6 4LN
Tel: 020 8340 9077
Fax: 020 8340 9088
Email: afet@a...
www.afet.org.uk

-- Beth Shalom Holocaust Centre
Laxton, Newark Notts, NG22 0PA
Tel: 01623 836627
Fax: 01623 836647
Email: office@b...
www.bethshalom.com

-- Board of Deputies of British Jews - Education Department
Education Officer
Commonwealth House
1-19 New Oxford Street
London, WC1A 1NU
Tel: 020 7543 5400
Fax: 020 7543 0010
www.bod.org.uk

-- The Commission for Racial Equality
Elliot House, 10-12 Allington Street
London, SW1E 5EH
Tel: 020 7828 7022
Fax: 020 7630 7605
Email: info@c...
www.cre.gov.uk

-- The Council of Christians and Jews
5th Floor, 87 Albert Embankment
London, SE1 7PP
Tel: 020 7388
Fax: 020 7388 3305
Email: ccjuk@a...
www.jcrelations.net/index.htm

-- The Disability Rights Commission
DRC Helpline
Freepost, MID 02164
Stratford-Upon-Avon, CV37 9BR
Tel: 08457 622633
Fax: 08457 622611
Email: ddahelp@s...
www.drc-gb.org

-- Equal Opportunities Commission
Overseas House,
Quay Street, Manchester
Tel: 0161 833 9244

-- The Holocaust Educational Trust
BCM Box 7892, London, WC1N 3XX
Tel: 020 7222 6822
Fax: 020 7233 0161
Email: hetrust@c...
www.het.org.uk

-- Human Rights Watch
33 Islington High Street
London, N1 9LH
Tel: 020 7713 1995
Fax: 020 7713 1800
www.humanrightswatch.com

-- The Imperial War Museum
Lambeth Road
London, SE1 6HZ
Tel: 020 7416 5313/5444
Fax: 020 7416 5440
Email: lr-edu@i...
www.iwm.org.uk

-- Institute of Contemporary History and Wiener Library
4 Devonshire Street
London, W1N 2BH
Tel: 020 7636 7247
Fax: 020 7436 6428
Email: lib@w...
www.wienerlibrary.co.uk

-- Inter Faith Network
5-7 Taverstock Place
London WC1H 9SN
Tel. (020) 7388 0008
Fax. (020) 7387 7968
E-mail: ifnet@i...
www.interfaith.org.uk

pr@w...
www.disc.co.uk/standfirm/
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