Posts by shadow

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The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

The real impact of "apostate" sites

by dozy in

in a recent discussion with a couple of district overseers and other heavies , the topic of the internet and apostate sites came up.

i asked what impact these were making , numerically , among jws.

the prevailing view was that , numerically , there was negligible impact.

shadow

sak, I'm a JW. What topics are you looking for the JW side on?

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

Even if most elders are well-intentioned, they are simply not qualified to interview children about allegations of abuse. Don't you know that such children are extremely fragile and have a high likelihood of injuring themselves or committing suicide? Would you really want to subject your child to the unpredictable amateur interrogation of the elders? I was an elder until last year and I would not permit it.

My child was molested by a man who had a prior history of child abuse and yet was serving as an elder for part of the time he molested my child. He was appointed before the WT policy changed. He was removed when the policy was changed, though the reason for his removal was not made common knowledge. Of course, no apology from the WT nor any offer of financial assistance to care for the needs of my child. We have struggled through many sleepless nights and suicide watches which still have not gone away years later and will not for the foreseeable future.

WT policy does not care about these children. It's primary purpose is to protect the WT. A few years ago at a KM (elder's) school, a WT letter was read verbatim to the elders in attendance. It was preceded by the odd announcement that no discussion or questions would be permitted. Do you think this type of action is designed to help elders be more competent to help in these cases?

I'm still a JW and have been for forty years, but I find 3rd to be utterly contemptible.

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

shadow

Do you believe that elders are qualified to question or interview a child who has been sexually abused?
Only concerning their spiritual welfare and well being and to protect the flock. They are not professional pyschologists and some people should no doubt seek such professional help. Elders are only their to help spiritually and keep the congregation clean from child abusers.
Should the WT apologize to victims of elders known to have a history of child molestation when they were appointed?
If the WT knowingly put a practicing child molester in a position of responsibility of course they should apologize.
Should the Society offer any financial assistance to care for the needs of children abused by elders or MS?
NO, those elders or MS who comitted the crime of child molesting should pay. Should the WT pay for the other crimes that elders might do such as murder, stealing, etc? That would be absurd.
Should the Catholic Church offer any financial assistance to care for the needs of children abused by priests?
This is what the courts say about that. Yes, they should pay. So far 1.5 billion dollars because they reassign child molesters to different parts of the country unlike JWs who df practicing child molesters and never allow them to be servants. As for the WTS, the courts have awarded -137,000 dollars. Please see Boer Vs WT in the blog.

3rd,

If, as you admit, elders are not qualified to deal with child abuse victims, then why do they seek to do this in the context of a judicial committee meeting?

Are you a new JW? Do you know any elders that have been around for 10 or 15 years? You can find out for yourself that the WT policy changed concerning the appointment of child molestors. Ask them about the list requested by HQ for the names of all elders and servants who had a history of child molestation. This was done about the same time as the 97 article. This action makes it obvious that such men were not excluded from being appointed.

As for helping victims financially with therapy; " The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation". You would sacrifice caring for these children to keep the WT coffers full? You would only have a conscience if Caesar forced you to have one like they have forced the Catholic Church?

Do you really call yourself a Christian?

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

shadow

3rd,

Do you believe that elders are qualified to question or interview a child who has been sexually abused?

Should the WT apologize to victims of elders known to have a history of child molestation when they were appointed?

Should the Society offer any financial assistance to care for the needs of children abused by elders or MS?

Should the Catholic Church offer any financial assistance to care for the needs of children abused by priests?

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Gerrit Loesch GB Speaker at KC convention

by stillajwexelder in

gerritt loesch was the gb speaker today at the kc convention - and what a boring old fart he was - i fell asleep and so did my wife

shadow

Loesch succeeded in getting a veiled comment about football (American) in the new book. One of the last chapters mentions a modern sport where the players wear armor like the ancient gladiators. I heard that he gave a talk at a DC in Nebraska condemning football. Not too well received by the Cornhuskers.

Does he approve of soccer and their zealous fans that riot when their team loses?

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Just returned from the 2006 (Armageddon's here) "Deliverance At Hand" DO

by apocalypse in

how much can one person gag?

it is interesting to note that clive thomas (canadian branch office) spoke during his part in such a way as to betray the fact that he was personally aware that what he was saying was false.. it's one thing when a local onion gets exuberant about parroting the gb's nonsense.

it's quite another when a bloodsucker like clive comes from the branch and does a "bait 'n switch" the way he did.

shadow

Revolt in 2100?

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"Never Trust a Bethelite"

by drew sagan in

jw
friends

i remember a long time ago hearing the phrase.

during my time as a witness i've known a few, and the amazing thing is that it really is quite true.

the two i really got to know both had problems, in fact they where much in the same personality wise.

shadow

Never trust a Jew, an arab or an apostate either. They're all alike too, don't you think?

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Bethel Downsizing - Management Discussions

by core in

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friends

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the spin on downsizing is apparently "go out into the field" yet when the gb initially considered this it must have been presented as a practical problem - too much surplus hr capacity/ too expensive to maintain - or whatever and yet they turned it into a positive matter by stressing the return to the field - all those in such discussions are clearly able to deceive themselves as much as they try and deceive the "flock" - what do you think - did a discussion on a practical problem have to have a positive outcome and how did they twist their minds so as to sell it as such - for years they begged people to stay in bethel service (make it your home for life) and now they cast them out into the world with the thin veneer of "speedin g up the preaching work .. etc".

all those at the top must have been involved in turning this huge embarrasment (jehovah will provide etc) into a positive spin - they should try out for a marketing award "downsizing - the only way to grow!

shadow

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the 5/14/06 watchtower study

by buffalosrfree in

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friends

i was watching my wife study the watchtower saturday and sunday morn before leaving for the hall, she had a couple of questions about the ethiopian enuch (spelling) and phillip.

i asked her honey, think a second are you able to read a book or mag while driving in the car on faily good roads, and of course her answer was no.

why i asked she said its too hard to, the bumping the movement of the car/truck etc throws the words off all the time.

shadow

1. The chariot wasn't going too fast, Philip was able to keep up on foot and even start a conversation.

2. The type of road is not mentioned, maybe it was dirt. I've driven a car on dirt roads at 50 mph and had a very smooth ride.

The points made here seem to be full of assumptions and quite ridiculous.