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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

shadow

ATJ,

Offensive? I've been on this board for about 8 years now. I don't expect to see many more surprises.

Some reasons I have been here:

I believe the powers that be (GB, service, etc.) are wrong when they do not make full disclosure of their errors or when demanding blind obedience. Topics such as blood and child abuse are not dealt with openly.

I have also had some good discussions here with people like Maximus, Marvin Shilmer, Old Soul and Big Tex.

Some people have been seriously hurt for being a JW. I disagree with policy of shooting the wounded. I have tried to reach out to a few people privately. Doing so openly generally stirs up the rabid crowd here.

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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

shadow

OTWO,

You asked "Is WTS right to insist that "true Christians" stay away from websites that debate the Bible and WT doctrine? "

My response is my opinion, not a statement about WTS policy. It was actually more of a disagreement with WT writings on this topic. As for judicial action, this is subject to interpretation by your local BOE.

"If direction is not clear, then they should be discreet and not be so confident that their directives are correct."

Agreed.

"Isn't that independent thinking?"

Guilty as charged. I can be independent of both unreasonable JW's and unreasonable ex-JW's.

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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

shadow

Outlaw,

You probably don't even realize you just called OnTheWayOut an idiot . . .

LOL!

Now I'll tip you off to something. Shhhhh . . . . we'll just keep this between us. Not all JW's follow all the rules

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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

shadow

Is WTS right to insist that "true Christians" stay away from websites that debate the Bible and WT doctrine?

"Insist", no. Suggest, yes.

If they are wrong, isn't it possible that they are not spirit-directed?

Question is framed as an absolute. I do not believe that is true. Is parent always right? No, but perhaps more often than not.

Even if they are wrong, aren't you running ahead of them instead of waiting on Jehovah to reveal new light for you to come to these websites and "save us" or whatever it is you think you are doing here?

Some of us are willing to make our own decisions.

What are you trying to get at?

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Have you ever been to FAMILY NIGHT at BETHEL?

by BonaFide in

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family night is held once a year at bethel and all the branches.

when i was a missionary, every year both missionary homes in that country were invited to the branch office, and we had a dinner with the bethelites, and family night.

the bethelites did some singing and skits, and each missionary home was invited to submit something.

shadow

I went to a couple. I thought they were enjoyable but they were 30 years ago probably on a shorter leash now.

A Gilead graduation I went to featured the grads performing a scene from the Wiz. I believe it was to the music of Ease on Down the Road.

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Here is the GB photo from the new book "Bearing Thorough Witness"

by BonaFide in

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shadow

The banality of evil . . .

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Family Worship Night Rule.....

by sweet pea in

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i have it on good authority that at the recent circuit assembly it was announced from the platform that there had been reports of groups of families and friends getting together to study on family worship night and that this was not to continue as fwn is for families only and not for other brothers and sisters to get involved in.. oh, and if you live alone, then you have to study on your own, you alone are your family, you are not to join anyone else's fwn (although i'm sure they didn't mean you couldn't join your blood family's fwn....).

the level of control never ceases to amaze me...... .

shadow

Do you know if this was part of the program from HQ or was it in the needs of the circuit part? Just wondering if this is global or local?

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Mennoite Article (about SHUNNING) now on watchtower.org

by V in

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050901/article_01.htm.

we cannot do as you ask, replied one of the family heads.

those people came to teach us the bible.

shadow

Or was this article written by someone who disagreed with df policy and intended it to make some people wake up?

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How long does reinstatement take?!? Question for a elder or someone thats been in this situation

by N-kiki in

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shadow

A recent KM school told elders (I was one at the time) that people were getting reinstated too fast. Suggested at least a year before reinstatement.

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N.J. family killed in Buffalo plane crash remembered

by truthseeker in

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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/new_jersey_family_killed_in_bu.html.

n.j. family killed in buffalo plane crash rememberedby nyier abdou and brian t. murray/ the star-ledger saturday february 28, 2009, 9:18 pmmore than 1,500 people gathered at the jersey city assembly hall of jehovah's earlier tonight to remember a bloomfield family killed two weeks ago when continental connection flight 3407 crashed in a buffalo, n.y. suburb, killing all 49 people aboard and one man on the ground.. donald and dawn mossop, their 12-year-old son, shawn, and dawn mossop's 44-year-old sister, ferris reid, were remembered as an inseparable, loving family who relished traveling together, eating well together and worshipping together at their jehovah's witness congregation in montclair.

the sisters, who had 12 other siblings, also were celebrated for their faith and their dedication to their ministry.. saed hindash/the star-ledgerthe program for the memorial service for the mossop family saturday at the jersey city assembly hall of jehovah's witnesses.

shadow

It is a tragedy.

However, I find it strange that it was held at the Stanley. Did WT leaders seize on this as a photo-op???

Also curious is that Ianelli gave the funeral talk. He was sent to Florida in 2002 to give another high-profile talk for a JW firefighter. That funeral included walking the casket through a cordon of saluting firemen. They also bend the rules to humanize the talk by actually (horrors!) talking about the deceased.

Another example of the cynical nature of WT leadership??? They sure compromise on funerals that get a lot of public attention.