as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
Here's a close-up of that hussie, "Babylon the great city". Isn't she a beaut! Problem with the beast, ("Babylon the Great") is that 6 of its heads aren't supposed to have any horns at all. The 7th head should have all 10 horns on it.
Art used by permission by Pat Marvenko Smith, copyright 1992.
Visit her "Revelation Illustrated" site: http://www.revelationillustrated.com
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
Here's the basis for the beast being referred to as "Babylon the Great," and the harlot being referred to as "Babylon the great city":
The 8th King (scarlet-colored wild beast) is the greater "tower of Babel" or "Babel the Great". Those people seen in the picture, they lived in a city they built, called "Babel". Christendom, the harlot, is the greater "city of Babel" or "Babel the great city". More later.
Schizm
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
The "woman" (harlot) represents Christendom, and her alone.Prove it.AuldSoul
Up your's, Sherlock, get your big fat hiney in line with everyone else, and no cutting in!
On second thought, that would make a good topic for a new thread. I'll probably just do that before long, just to please you. Enough of that business of people saying the harlot stands for the "world empire of false religion". It was said, "Adultesses, ... friendship with the world is enmity with God". To become a spiritual harlot, therefore, a person or religion has to first claim to be Christian. Therefore, non-christian religions cannot be represented by the harlot; hence the idea that she pictures the "world empire of false religion" is totally unfounded. The harlot can only picture the religions of Christendom.
Schizm
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
As usual, all you have left....
If you honestly thought that, then you wouldn't be constantly returning to this thread in order to see what ole Schizm now has posted. There's no question about it, you're definitely hooked on Schizm's postings, and can't sleep well without first satisfying your curiosity regarding my latest posting. Don't feel all alone though, 'cause Gumaddict is every bit as much of a fan as what you are.
Schizmidol
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
LittleToe,
You aren't even in the ballgame, man!
You desperately need to become educated. You have slept way too long and it's time you awaken from your slumber. Until you do, your brain will remain in your little toe.
Schizm
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
Revelation 17:9,18 — “Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”Says the Bible, genius.AuldSoul
The "woman" (harlot) represents Christendom, and her alone. The beast she sits upon represents a future one-world government. The "kings of the earth" (aka 10 horns) refer to all the world's governments in that future day, all of which will have submitted to the newly formed 8th King. These "10 horns" are shown to have relinquished their sovereignties to the 8th King, as indicated by the fact that they no longer sport the diadems that each horn once possessed (compare Re 13 with Re 17).
Who is it then that LITERALLY has a a kingdom over the kings of the earth? Why, it's the newly formed 8th King, of course! But yet, as you've so lovingly pointed out, the Bible says that the harlot (aka "the great city"; Christendom) has a "kingdom over the kings of the earth". Given the proveable fact that the 10 horns will have subjugated themselves to the 8th King, in what sense then does the harlot have a "kingdom" over them? For the reason explained, this "kingdom" of her's cannot be a literal kingdom. Therefore, it must be in a SPIRITUAL sense that the harlot has such a "kingdom". Her "kingdom," therefore, must symbolize to the powerful religious influence she has upon the 10 horns.
And so does the harlot's "sitting" upon the beast suggest that she dominates the beast itself, as has been suggested? Why, of course not! Why not? Because her "kingdom" is said to be over the 10 horns, not over the beast (the 8th King).
Schizm
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
Schizm....you irritating bastard.
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
Jeffro,
I have reworded....
Naw ... tell me it isn't so! You mean you're actually making an admission of having changed the text around? Well blow me down, Popeye! I suppose that what you're gonna tell me now is that someone's rewording of the original text is fine and dandy, as long as it's done within the limits YOU stipulate.
You have added in "Yes....," which finds no support in the original text.
And YOU added in "was" and "a," which finds no support in the original text. And besides that, you took out "the," "of," "having" and "been," which finds no support in the original text.
Furthermore, the woman is sitting on the beast which suggests dominance
Say's who?
and the scriptures do not say that she worships it. Even if it is assumed that the name on the forehead represents worship of someone, there would still be nothing to indicate that it refers to the beast.
It's quite obvious that you have a hearing problem.
Schizm
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as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
Contrary to the way you people would have it, the Bible is not inconsistent with itself. The Bible doesn't teach in one place that a name written on a forehead is not the name of the person bearing the name, and then in some other place teach the very opposite. -- Schizm.In every other case where the name belongs to someone the Bible specifically states that the name belongs to someone else and clearly identifies to whom the name belongs. So if the name does not refer to the woman, this would be the exception to your consistency rule. If the name does refer to the woman, then the Bible is consistent on this point. -- AuldSoul
Your comment, in two parts:
In every other case ... the Bible specifically states that the name belongs to someone else and clearly identifies to whom the name belongs. So if the name does not refer to the woman, this would be the exception to your consistency rule.
Your insinuation that the Bible is inconsistent, unless in every case it specifically states who the name on a person's forehead belongs to, is totally false. Just because the Bible isn't as detailed in one place as it is in others, doesn't prove that it's inconsistent with itself.
If the name does refer to the woman, then the Bible is consistent on this point.
The truth of the matter is that if the name were meant to refer to the woman, then the Bible would indeed be inconsistent. As it is, however, the name does NOT refer to the woman. The name refers to the beast, and it's "Babylon the Great". Schizm .
as shown by the text below, the 7-headed wild beast has a name.. 16 and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
of course the beast's "number" is "666" -- but that's not it's "name".
There are three standard-setting examples to be considered (two in the Revelation account and a third in the Hebrew Scriptures) whereby a name on the forehead does not represent the personal name of those bearing such engraving. Instead, it identifies whom such ones serve, and thus who their owner is.
Relevently, the Scriptures also say the heads of the 7-headed beast have names written on them ("upon its heads blasphemous names; Re 13:1). In view of the fact that the beast received its authority from the dragon (Satan), the name written upon each of the 7 heads could be none other than "Satan".
With all the examples which show that a name written on a forehead is NOT the name of the person bearing the name, it would be outright foolish to assume that the name on the harlot's forehead is her own name.
Schizm
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