Posts by pronomono

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The Right Religion Demonstrates True Faith In Jesus Christ

by pronomono in

the week of december 9th, i have the talk "the right religion demonstrates true faith in jesus christ" base on the reasoning book rs p329.

the following is the suggested material.. istruefaithinjesuschristbeingdemonstrated?

this involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of jesus human life and of his position today as heavenly king.

pronomono

Legacy, I'm not the one who said my GF had the talk. This one was all me.

Leaving_Quietly, It's easy to miss the point. I sure did until I really started reading it after your suggestion, viewing the context around the scripture instead of what we've been told. Us JWs aren't taught to be contextual readers. Unfortunately, I didn't record the talk, though.

Adamah, ....in time. I will quit when the time is right. Maybe the time will never be right, especially with friends and family in that I don't want to lose right now. Being subtle can go a long way given the time to develop. Advertisement has been doing this for years with subliminal messages. Have a hidden meaning or a subtle suggestion that makes people believe this is how they felt all along. Who says that we can't introduce this into the congregation and have a slow change from the bottom-out, or hopefully but less likely bottom-up.

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The Right Religion Demonstrates True Faith In Jesus Christ

by pronomono in

the week of december 9th, i have the talk "the right religion demonstrates true faith in jesus christ" base on the reasoning book rs p329.

the following is the suggested material.. istruefaithinjesuschristbeingdemonstrated?

this involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of jesus human life and of his position today as heavenly king.

pronomono

Thanks everyone. My talk went great. I was really nervous knowing that I wasn't giving the talk they expected to hear about faith being tied to works of preaching. I was really ready to just tell them I'm not giving the talk because I couldn't think of an angle that would be beneficial to the congregation that was in harmony with TTATT. Thanks to you all, I nailed it, and the School Overseer even said it was great and that he was having to nitpick to find something to counsel me on.

I tried combining all of your suggestions but came out with a 10 minute talk instead of 5. So I had to condense it. I focused faith being placed not in the name of Jesus but in the person that name identifies and how the primary component or work of faith is love, as intructed by Christ's commandments, that love was the foundation for all other works, such as works of loyalty to Jesus. As suggested by Leaving_Quietly, I applied the entire chapter of James 2 on works to love and the importance it plays on our faith, using the examples of Abraham and Rahab with the love and faith they showed to Jehovah.

And the ultimate win of the talk is that I didn't use preaching once as a work. I imagine that many of the brothers and sisters had never heard this explanation of James 2. I know I haven't. So hopefully a contextual explanation will open some of their minds just a little.

Thanks Leaving_Quietly and everyone else for helping me get through this without wussing out and being able to provide something beneficial to the congregation at the same time. I may have to come to you all again later as other topics come along so that I can subtly help preach TTATT around JW doctrine to get the congregation to start thinking.

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LOL, this will freak you out

by transhuman68 in

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ive been cruising the net in search of the meaning of life (lol- as if!

) and came across this amazing piece of writing that i think puts everything in perspective... .

at first, when you really get that nothing matters at all it's very depressing.

pronomono

And Solomon said it years before at Eccl 3:19, "everything is vanity", excuse me, "futile". That's why JWs preach. If everything on earth is vanity, "store up your treasures in heaven where neither moth nor rust consume", everlasting treasures that aren't futile.

This is all well and good assuming that God exists and is taking notice, but JW works aren't always what they think they are, especially when spreading mis-information.

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Christmas presents--"We get things all year"??

by WTWizard in

i have heard that line of rubbish more times from the platform, especially around this time of year.

yet, given the number of children with few or no toys, about 90% of the time, they get little or nothing year round.

sometimes it is because of poverty, often induced because the parents are supposed to cut back on their work and pious-sneer or donate excessive amounts to the worldwide pedophile defense fund (or both).

pronomono

JeffT, my family did the same. Everybody got presents on my parents anniversary. This is something my wife and I still do together.

I'll never forget the Christmas Eve where my Dad bought me and my sister a bunch of presents and stacked them in the living room floor in a pyramid, emphasizing that they weren't for Christmas. That was a fun night, but it's hilarious looking back on it. We didn't feel bad about not getting presents that year when the school kids asked what we got.

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I am having a Bad Day today

by KateWild in

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stressed again with my circumstances.

very tiresome, but i need to be positive.

are you an optimistic soul?

pronomono

What was the egg all cracked up about? He was eggs-cited.

Get it? I made that one up myself. I also know not to quit my day job.

I am now sending my positive energy your way. We love you and want you day to go better. For me, I'm about to get some shut eye. It's 1:30am here in the States.

Here's to wishing you a better day tomorrow.

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The medical specialist told me something alarming today. Pretty bummed.

by Julia Orwell in

so i've been going to doctors for years with chronic fatigue, a condition i managed ok but which took a drastic nose dive in late 2011 to 2012 to the point where i could barely function.

work was part of the problem, so at the end of that year i left that stressful environment.

but in the meantime, for the last few years i've been going to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists and psychologists and undergoing every sort of blood test you can imagine and seeing all sorts of medical people.

pronomono

The JW faith can definitely take a toll on us. My blood pressure has been on the rise from my awakening. I don't sleep well. I drink to help me sleep. It's a vicious cycle I'm working to break out of. My thoughts are with you.

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Ever considered joining the Church of Satan?

by J. Hofer in

every now and then i read up on the church of satan, most of their principles make sense to me, in the end i'm still leaning to a more humanist world view though.

what's your view on the church of satan?

pragmatic nihilism spiced up with a few funny rituals?

pronomono

I've considered it. I've downloaded the Satanic Bible for a fun read. I may adopt some of their principles, but I doubt I'd actually ever join.

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Sins that J kills you for, even if you repent

by rebel8 in

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on this thread, i remarked that certain sins 'grieve the spirit' (or whatever term the dubs use to call something a mortal sin).. i was taught there are certain sins so serious that you must pay with your life, even if you repent.those sins are so serious that you must be a human sacrifice like the israelites did with animals to cleanse the sin.. but don't worry--jehoopla will raise you back up to become a zombie on earth.

what a loving god!!.

i haven't heard this discussed in a while so i'm imagining it's one of the many teachings they just stopped mentioning, without officially retracting it.

pronomono

I always wondered this myself. Apparently sins against the spirit are worse than sins against Jehovah him(her)self.

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I just couldn't do it...

by joyfulfader in

i have recently become friends with some women who belong to a church in my area.

they are fun, great women.

one of them used to be a witness actually but it has been many years.

pronomono

I've had these exact same thoughts.

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Phizzy Said this......And I am afraid I disagree

by KateWild in

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i still find it strange that believers cannot get it in to their heads that atheism is not a belief, but theism is.

there cannot possibly be proof "for" the atheistic position as it is simply a position that says i see no proof for a god.. if someone says there are pink unicorns with purple spots and i say i have never seen any proof of their existence, i cannot offer proof of my "position", the onus is 100% upon the spotted unicorn guy to prove their existence to me.

simple.. where the frustration enters in for us non-unicornists is when the unicornists expect us to listen to inane arguments , non facts and plain nonsesnse and then go along with their delusion.

pronomono

I still find it strange that believers cannot get it in to their heads that Atheism is not a belief, but Theism is. There cannot possibly be proof "for" the Atheistic position as it is simply a position that says I see no proof for a god.

Their belief is that there is no proof. I'm still open to the idea that proof exists, but we are not aware enough of the facts to see otherwise. Creation (or creation via evolution) could be proof of God, but it could also be proof that God doesn't exist. Without seeing how it all began, we cannot know. And if God does exist, he hasn't made it easy for us.

I was thinking about the topic of God and proof of his existence this morning as I lay in bed listening to "Say Something" by A Great Big World. Great emotional song, btw. I came to the realization that all religions have the same amount of proof as to the existence of their God(s) as Christians do. Whose to say Jehovah/Jesus are correct? It could easily be Allah/Muhammed, Buddha, Anubis, Osiris, Zeus, or any other number of Gods. There's just as much supporting evidence for any and all of these. Yes we have a Bible, but that is assuming all the stories are true and not embellished.

Although, I'm personally leaning towards atheism/anti-theism, I'm still open to theism if given the proper evidence.