Don't know the answer. Maybe the disobedient angels scenario/offspring has something in it? Jesus mentioned the peoples seemingly carefree (for want of a better word) lifestyle"right up until Noah got into the boat" in Matt 24 and "they didn't realise (or believe??) what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away" (NLT - no NWT they "took no note"). Heb 11:7 in the NLT, "It was by faith that Noah built a large boat to SAVE HIS FAMILY from the flood. He OBEYED God, who WARNED him ABOUT THINGS THAT HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. By his faith Noah condemned the rest of the world." That is interesting. In 1 Peter 3:19 again in NLT: ....when God WAITED PATIENTLY while Noah was building his boat. ONLY 8 people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood......v21 ......"Baptism saves....as a RESPONSE to God"...." Peter mentions the flood and the patience of God again later," who does not desire any to be destroyed ( both at the flood, it would seem, and at the end of the Age), but to repent". Culpability based on lack of faith in God back then, and now? Sounds like it. Could be. Don't know. An event, however, so truly horrendous, it prompted God to make a covenant with a rainbow sign that it would never happen again. That's pretty heavy. Will be nice to know the ins-and-outs of it all one day.
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Food For Logical Thought...
by braincleaned insometimes we waste hours and hours debating a subject like the flood, and the impossible scientific and evolutionary consequences that it entails.
we go into great debates about how all of is is possible, what a "kind" means (species, obviously not)... etc.... but believers will not stop believing... so here is something even a child would think of more logically:if god is all powerful and love why would he have not just made the wicked drop dead, painlessly?
simply, humanly.
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Are You Interested In Religion Of Any Sort At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus inpersonally, i respect that everyone has choices to believe whatever they want to believe.
i have no interest in joining another religion....what about you?.
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bicmac: Hello! from Greta, a rootin' tootin', "HAPPY (oh yeah!) clappy religious bible thumping froot". Simon: If you were to do that, then this forum (def: a meeting or medium where ideas and VIEWS on a particular issue can be EXCHANGED) becomes surplus to requirements. I would never take umbridge with a poster who put for example: "Don't need God, he kills children". (No offence meant to any such poster.) I don't get such a comment at all and do a "face-palm" but he/she is welcome to post it on a forum. Should there then be an "I Don't Get God" section? Of course not. Peace and contentment to you ALL.xx
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Are You Interested In Religion Of Any Sort At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus inpersonally, i respect that everyone has choices to believe whatever they want to believe.
i have no interest in joining another religion....what about you?.
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Hi Heartofaboy! There is deffo SomeONE, not necessarily someTHING. The org always quotes "Lord, if we leave you, WHERE would we go?" My mom said to me upon being told we were disassociating ourselves, "WHERE are you going to go if you leave the truth?" Peter actually said," To WHOM would we go?"The bible narrative continues,"YOU have the sayings of eternal life". Jesus replied,"I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. I believe that and am proud to have "grasped" it. I'm a happy Anglican but I'm not interested much in "religion" either. x
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Are You Interested In Religion Of Any Sort At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus inpersonally, i respect that everyone has choices to believe whatever they want to believe.
i have no interest in joining another religion....what about you?.
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Giordano - Hi! Eric Hoffers words do not describe my life as a Christian church-goer at all! It is ALL joy and effervescence!! Life's a fizz baby! "It is startling to realise how ignorance of the on-going positive outcome of some-one' else's new life-choice can quickly generate a negative judgment". Me, lol. I wish everyone the happiness I possess, honestly.x.
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Can this logic be refuted?
by notsurewheretogo ini was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.
i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!
i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.
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We lived in Germany for a while in the 00s. In the 70s brothers there (and other lands too) served 2 years inprisonment for refusing military service.(Not allowed by the Governing Body). Created severe hardship for left spouses and young children. Then, years later,around 1992 I think, the Governing Body allowed alternate "service" saying it was a conscience matter. In 2006(?) they had the gall to put in the wt "we are convinced that the brothers who suffered a prison term look back with satisfaction that they were able to prove their loyalty to Jehovah". I purposely looked at several such brothers in the cong. No-one nodded in agreement and all had stoney faces.The God of the bible is NOT such a "Jehovah". This is very important for a fader/leaver of this cult to realise. Damn the Borg! (sorry).They destroy you when your'e in and that can easily destroy you spiritually when you get out. Notsurewheretogo: Psalm 56: "I am constantly hounded by those who slander me. They are always twisting what I say.They spend their days trying to harm me. They come together to spy on me. Watching my every step, eager to kill me." GB/elders fit this description when you dissent.(and that's what they think of you as an ex-jw too) v13: "So now I can walk in your presence, O God, in your LIFE-GIVING LIGHT". NLT. Don't give up on God without researching Him. No noo-lite needed from the real One. I wish you increasing joy and inner contentment. xx
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Are You Interested In Religion Of Any Sort At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus inpersonally, i respect that everyone has choices to believe whatever they want to believe.
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The crux of the matter for me NOW, was, as a jw, only knowing Yah-Hovah, the God of the wt. He certainly does "make" you, through his supposed "Channel" behave and be decent, or your'e out and discarded. The Christian, or "Christ-one" gets Jesus' words, "that we may be one with them, just as you and I are one (DOES NOT mean the old jw anti-Trinity claptrap of One and the Same!) : 2 Cor 6:16 onwards,"For we are the Temple of the Living God, As God said, " I WILL LIVE IN THEM".......v18 "And I will be your Father, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty." NLT. Now this was a whole new ball-game........The wt don't believe the indwelling of the Spirit so have removed all references from their translation. Gggggrrrr! - How were we supposed to know about it?? We could NEVER experience the "Abba! Father" moment. We were just spiritual orphans. It is not just to have Christ, but being IN Christ. That is why we eat the bread and drink the wine (or grape juice) - "eating My flesh and drinking My blood to have eternal life WITHIN you". "Behaving and being decent" becomes the norm for the "Christ-one". You can call this "religion" if you like, but there isn't a word glorious enough to describe it.
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Are You Interested In Religion Of Any Sort At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus inpersonally, i respect that everyone has choices to believe whatever they want to believe.
i have no interest in joining another religion....what about you?.
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Baptised and confirmed Anglicans, Chuch of England.(Me, ex MS hubby and two late-teen daughters.) Simply freakin' awesome! Also, we have combined services with the Methodists and Baptists about 4 times a year. Just like a huge family reunion. I also watch a Catholic televised service from Germany twice a month. Being a Christian is NOT about being' in a religion' as such. The Church (Gk ecclesia - gathering or group) is not a denomination or a building. The Church was us from St Andrews enjoying drinks and fellowship in the evenings and worshipping in a marquee at Parish Camp (Great fun!). Or 8000 strong at New Wine, Newark, Notts next month. It is also when you get together in a very small group and pray together. All who take Communion are in God's Household, and we have to meet together to "build it up". The bond we have is staggering.The services for worship from All-age to Holy Communion, from worship songs to intercessional prayers and the talks (old word = sermons) just blow you away...... Believe me, for me as an ex-pioneer and a TOTAL "Babylon the Great" hater formerly - to be able to write this, is testimony to the Grace of God. (Don't wish to bleat on, this is just what happened to us, and I appreciate some of you will be letting out a deep sigh....!)
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First post venting
by Freethinking76 inhello ,i am a jw,been in the "truth " for about 6 years.i have to be very careful because i know the witnesses monitors sites and report to the elders ,i know cause that is what my blood sister does,she spends hours trying to find apostates in the closet.i know stuped.. so this is my situation.i have known about jw almost all my life and heard that only them have the truth,lots of my family are in it.i was the one taking too long to baptize ,i knew it was expected from me.and i always had a need to make ppl like me .so i took the dip.i started to notice that there are lots of jws that belong to little groups.i wanted friendship so bad and at the time had a need o tell ppl about my horrible childhood traumas i guess i was not over it yet,and needed some to lisent since i had drove my spouse nuts already .what happend this ppl pretend to want to be close to me so they can know all my business and then tell everyone at the hall.then you realize uhhh,they never confided their personal stuff to me.is like a game " you can tell me your stuff,but do not expect me to keep it to myself and do not think i will tell you my dirty laundry.a lot of mind games.. so i was alone ,invisible ,i still can't believe i put up with so much !
i can't wright not even half of what i when through.i feel paranoic now.so i came across a youtube video by jwstruggle and blow my mind ,now i can't stop researching,my spouse is not a jw,and is very shock too.so i decided that i want to fade,i guess it won't be so hard since the sis and brothers did not had a close relationship with me.i have kids and i suffer from pts ,anxiety attacks,panick attacks and severe depression.i moved to the next town of my hall,so i have change hall too.i have not been to my new hall,and wanted to know,will the elders in my old hall contact the elders in my new hall just to see if i am attending?..
my spouse told me " i will tell them i am not letting you go" "and "i found out that your liars!
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Hi, nice to have you here. It does get better, just hang on. Sammy Jenkis' comment was spot on.Reminds me of Psalm 35:11-16 (NLT) "Malicious witnesses testify aginst me...I was sad, as though they were my friends or family, as if I was grieving for my own mother. But now they are glad that I am in trouble, they gleefully join together against me. I am attacked by people I don't even know; they slander me constantly. They mock me and call me names; they snarl at me." When you start to doubt, read these words and remember that we have come out of a malicious, evil, destructive cult. A veneer of love and light concealing hatred for others and utter darkness. Wishing you increasing inner peace and contentment. xx
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Emotionally manipulative claptrap
by under_believer injust watched the first drama of the convention.
man what a load of simplistic, lurid, manipulative garbage.
off to barf now.
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"You went out to your car"... Haha - At our last special ass day we went, by this point totally off the wt "radar", to our car, drank, albeit 2.1%, lager and watched an AC/DC Concert, Live at the River Plate for 2 hours. Mentally free that day, body and soul followed a couple of weeks later.
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Can Anointed Members Be Disfellowshiped?
by Cold Steel insince the anointed class used to be the faithful and discreet slave, i wondered if and how they can be disciplined through being disfellowshiped?
aren't they given a little more latitude in how they interpret scriptures and in what they say?
do people in kingdom halls who have anointed members defer to them in any way?
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Brilliant, brilliant Blondie.(hope your'e feeling better.) Para: "God does not. however forgive all sin." The wt have wilfully and knowingly added or deleted pronunciation marks, words, passages and whole paragraphs from the Bible to support their heretical doctrines. (Holy Spirit "breathed"/inspired). This is the one fact that I must admit enrages me - the real root of all the other evils. How CAN they EVER justify it.