Posts by Bosho

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

I thought that Josephus the historian, mentioned Jesus. In between tile counting I'm sure I heard that...

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

I must be slow!

I just worked out there's a time difference between our postings.

I live in Britain, England to be exact and it's now 4.45pm (I'm suppose to be cooking tea) here so I guess it must be like 9 or tenish in the evening ? yeah? Who knows!

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

WOW!

I'm stunned.

I'm afraid the nineties are a bit of a blur to me. Don't know why I sure wasn't under the influence!

I have to say thanks to everyone who has replied.

I also have to say I'm just so.... I don't know. I really don't know.

I'll come clean with the lot of you and see what you make of the mess that it me!

My parents (my father is now resting in peace) are witnesses, my aunt is, my brother, his wife, her family, my husband, all his family. (Get the picture.)

I've been going since I was born. (I'm now nearly thirty) and I have to admit that as a child I never paid attention. I was the one staring at the ceiling counting roof tiles!

I was always asking questions, always my question was " but why?" but most of the time, I'd just go with the flow... I still do if I'm honest.

I go to meetings and occassionaly go out on service... but I bet you can guess. It's just going with the flow!

BUt then this programme on panorama came on and I was shocked... I found this website through bbc website.

Now comes the part that shocked the hell out of me but won't surprise you at all.

I expected your forums to be "DIE witnesses DIE!"

But it's not, well not all the time anyway!. It's people who have put a lot of effort into researching things that concerned them.

And then I find things like this NGO thing and The Navy thing and the policy on One Witness thing (Children thing) and I think "Oh dear!"

Would anyone here object to me collating as much of your hard worked for research and sending it off the bethel to find out the truth once and for all?

I have to admit to being (Intellectually challenged) slow sometimes, so some of your arguments and findings..like the Navy thing.... go right over my head.

But I need to know. I need to know if there is something majorly wrong with the organisation or if it just Satan having a go at my already week faith.

I have to admit that if WTBS isn't God's organisation then I won't believe in God anymore at all. I can't see him using any other organisation. and the each one to this own thing doesn't make sense to me (please I'm not being offensive to anyone) because there is no unity in discord and what would the point of the bible be if people were just going to take what they wanted from it and discard the rest.

I really hope no one thinks I'm being a stuck up witness trying to defend her religon. I just want answers. badly.

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Get aload of this..

by Xandria in

this is crazy.. just go under each topic on this sight and read.

it speaks on each topic we have touched on in this forum and bascially gives thier "answer" and thoughts as silly as some are.

xandria

Bosho

What I was trying to say was this.

Please bear with me, sometimes what I write bears no resemblance to what I think!

Yes, you are right the elders do have a responsibilty; Yes they have failed alot of children. Yes they should be held accountable and made to pay for that!

But not all of them are bad.

And it is not policy to surpress victims or try to hide it. Their policy is for the individual to get in contact with the police as soon as they can. They will even do this on their behalf if required.

You can't kid me otherwise because it has happened to our family.

They didn't fail my niece.

The elders were the ones who said to my sister in law "get intouch with the authorites and quick"

The "person" (more like scum) who was responsible was in another congregation; The elders in my sisters congregation got into contact with the elders of the other cong. They held a meeting the same day and he was removed from all his responsibilties (he of course denied it and being never found guilty by a court of law he wasn't disfellowshipped either.

(If you are previous witnesses you should know they can only disfellowship if the person is unrepentant which denial is obviously unrepentant You may disagree with this, but I have no doubt that there would be lawsuit after lawsuit if they did disfellowship regardless of denial)

He was watched at every meeting and I mean watched! (They followed him everywhere from going to the toilet, and of course it didn't take long for the gossip mill to get to work and every one knew what was going on. Plus my sister in law made damn sure that she passed around to all her friends with children (and ones who didn't) what he'd been doing!)
Funny thing, he eventually got fed up with being watched and he left.

Even funnier, he's now an apostate he even speaks out against the organisation about his supposed "Miscarriage of justice, shunning etc!" If I ever got hold of him I'd give him a miscarriage of justice!

But God is a god of love...read your bible.... look around you.... watch your children.... sit beside a beautiful lake..he is love! of course bearing in mind if he'd done something about it a thousand years ago, Jesus wouldn't have come to earth...no ransom sacrifice.. no one survives.

You judge God by human standards. You can't do that.He is perfect; so his balance of wisdom, justice etc is perfect. Ours misses the mark by miles.

And he will make that man pay.... I can only imagine his face when he realises he's lost.

Death may be quick and he may no nothing after dying.

But he will in the few seconds before he dies. He'll know. And that's the revenge I want.

The courts don't do a great job sometimes. How can they when they are run by imperfect humans

The elders may have failed a lot of children and that is more than shameful that is horrendous and I feel so badly for each and every child who has suffered.]

But it isn't the policy to keep the police out of it.

Panorama may have shown the two that didn't. But they didn't ask about what the elders did for my sister in law.

Or for the two cases in a city by me recently. (Both sets of elders banned the brothers from their halls. (One has gone to prison and one was freed)) Contacted the police on the childrens' behalf, and helped as much as they could.

Unfortunatly not every elder is as good and responsible. Yeah so they screwed up badly and they should pay for that.
But don't burn the majority for the minority sins.

And before anyone points out that you are all apostates and I shouldn't be talking to you. Funnily I'd guessed that already.
I have my own issues with the organisation which is why I came here. For some answers. To try to get some clarity as to which way I should go.

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Are any of you actually witnesses here?

by A_Revelation in

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how can all of you say that you are disgusted etc when you dont know any thing about the organisation?.

im sure you didnt really worry before but now you are all acting upset etc.. i stress to say that it is accusations not fact.. i am 16 and found the program annoying in the fact that we were portrayed completely wrong.. the bbc could say what they liked.. i think that people should be more sincere and less assuming.. thanks, mark

Bosho

It sure has!

Thanks Larc

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Are any of you actually witnesses here?

by A_Revelation in

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how can all of you say that you are disgusted etc when you dont know any thing about the organisation?.

im sure you didnt really worry before but now you are all acting upset etc.. i stress to say that it is accusations not fact.. i am 16 and found the program annoying in the fact that we were portrayed completely wrong.. the bbc could say what they liked.. i think that people should be more sincere and less assuming.. thanks, mark

Bosho

Thanks for the link.

And information everyone.

I shall certainly be looking into it more.

Larc,

I'm not here to get narky with you guys. I'm just trying to get to the truth.

Is it really a bad thing not taking things at face value?

Surely that is what this whole forum is about... not accepting the WTBS at face value.

Don't get annoyed with me! Please!

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Get aload of this..

by Xandria in

this is crazy.. just go under each topic on this sight and read.

it speaks on each topic we have touched on in this forum and bascially gives thier "answer" and thoughts as silly as some are.

xandria

Bosho

Oh no neither do I!

Of course these people should be held accountable and not just sit back and watch it happen!

But I think you're missing my point.

I just wondered why if a person who believes in God and therefore would be aware that God has said that he will do something about it, would highlight that paragraph.

Sometimes not even the secular authorites get it right.

My little niece was one that was failed (Interestingly by the police and not the WBTS. They did far more to keep her safe than the police did!)

I think that paragraph is a "security blanket" for people like my sister in law (who is a witness). It probably keeps her sane knowing that although the man who was accused is free to walk about, God WILL make him pay one day.

They (the police) couldn't do anything about it because there was no physical evidence ( my niece was three at the time. Because it was a close family friend that was suspected (my niece was unable to talk properly still and it was very complicated, it happened in a round about way. Her friend was abused (year older) and was "doing the same things to my niece that was done to her" that's how they found out what was going on. The man was investigated, but because there was no physical evidence on either child other than what the authorities called "What they had done to each other* nothing could be done. Both children were put on the "at risk" list and told that social workers would be apllied to look after them. MY sister in law heard nothing more. So much for protection! She even rang them to find out if they were going to do anything. nada!

My sister in law copes by knowing God will sort it out.

I just wondered why then this paragrph was highlighted when it works. It gives people peace of mind.

And if you read the bible and believe in God, then you'll know he WILL do something.

regards

Bosho

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Get aload of this..

by Xandria in

this is crazy.. just go under each topic on this sight and read.

it speaks on each topic we have touched on in this forum and bascially gives thier "answer" and thoughts as silly as some are.

xandria

Bosho

Larc

I asked because Xandria highlighted the last part of the article about leaving it upto God.

If she believes in God (the biblical God of love) then surely she would believe he wouldn't let things go unanswered. in which case this part of the article is highly plausible.

I wondered if she felt that God would have retribution and if yes, what form would it take.

That's why I asked.

Also because I'm a nosey git.

regards

Bosho

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Get aload of this..

by Xandria in

this is crazy.. just go under each topic on this sight and read.

it speaks on each topic we have touched on in this forum and bascially gives thier "answer" and thoughts as silly as some are.

xandria

Bosho

Do you believe in god at all?

not being offensive just curious.

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Are any of you actually witnesses here?

by A_Revelation in

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how can all of you say that you are disgusted etc when you dont know any thing about the organisation?.

im sure you didnt really worry before but now you are all acting upset etc.. i stress to say that it is accusations not fact.. i am 16 and found the program annoying in the fact that we were portrayed completely wrong.. the bbc could say what they liked.. i think that people should be more sincere and less assuming.. thanks, mark

Bosho

Xander

Hi!

I just wanted to ask you something.

What do you mean Jerusalem wasn't destroyed in 607? I always thought it was.

Oh and by the way... I was interested to read about what you said about the new and old Worship book.

I asked my mother who is an active member and she said (and apparantly she currently has a study going through this) it's been taken out because when you start a study you go through a brochure "Blood how can it save you" or some such title.

So the chapter is unneeded (can't think of the right word). Also a few Kingdom ministries are consulted I believe.

As for the blood card, they don't renew every year anymore because it doesn't go out of date so to speak, just cause it's last years model!

It's still legal even if it is dogeared and torn. (Saves the money I guess)

Anyway thanks for reading and look forward to seeing your reply about 607.

regards

Bsoho.