Posts by Bosho

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Are any of you actually witnesses here?

by A_Revelation in

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how can all of you say that you are disgusted etc when you dont know any thing about the organisation?.

im sure you didnt really worry before but now you are all acting upset etc.. i stress to say that it is accusations not fact.. i am 16 and found the program annoying in the fact that we were portrayed completely wrong.. the bbc could say what they liked.. i think that people should be more sincere and less assuming.. thanks, mark

Bosho

Xander,

You asked about verifying the blood thing.

This might be a change, so I'd like you to verify, if possible. Last I understood, two publications were studied before baptism - the 'Knowledge' book and a brochure that was out at the time - I don't remember the name, but it had a picture of several people of different nationalities on the cover and was regarding a 'god of love' or somesuch - maybe "Does God Really Care About Us?". The 'blood' brochure was definately something we were told NOT to study with the householders - indeed, it was implied we should skirt the question until they were baptised.

The brochure is called "What does God require of us?" This one is studied first as it gives an overall view of God's requirements in brief and then the Knowledge book goes into detail.

Lesson 12 of the brochure is called "Showing Respect for Life and Blood."

Paragraph Five and Six quoted here (I've taken it straight from the CDROM and pasted it here):

*** rq 25 12 Showing Respect for Life and Blood ***

5. Blood is also sacred in Gods eyes. God says that the soul, or life, is in the blood. So it is wrong to eat blood. It is also wrong to eat the meat of an animal that has not been properly bled. If an animal is strangled or dies in a trap, it should not be eaten. If it is speared or shot, it must be bled quickly if it is to be eaten.Genesis 9:3, 4; Leviticus 17:13, 14; Acts 15:28, 29.

6. Is it wrong to accept a blood transfusion? Remember, Jehovah requires that we abstain from blood. This means that we must not take into our bodies in any way at all other peoples blood or even our own blood that has been stored. (Acts 21:25) So true Christians will not accept a blood transfusion. They will accept other kinds of medical treatment, such as transfusion of nonblood products. They want to live, but they will not try to save their life by breaking Gods laws.Matthew 16:25.

So apparantly it's no longer in the new Worship book as this is studied after the brochure and Knowledge book. (I believe if the person studying wants more information then the brochure on BLood is studied)

As for the blood card, we were told in our meeting in January that they wouldn't be giving out new cards as the society had been advised (by their legal team) that just because they were a year old they were still legally valid (which is the whole point I believe)

So I guess to keep costs down, they won't be updated en mass. However if you require a new one you can ask your congregation secretary who will give you a new card.

Hope this helps.

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

Thanks Jan

The fire alarm has gone off so I really have to go and save the tea, but I'm very grateful for your reference and I will be going there as soon as I can!

thanks again to everyone!

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

oh well!

The fire alarm will let me know when it's cooked!

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for being so suportive, (especialy xander and larc)

I surely will let everyone here know what sort of someback I get from bethel (if any!)

I bet they then forward the letter to my elders who will want to know where I found all the information.

What happens to people who speak to "apostates" ( no offense!) again? I may be on here as more than a bystander soon!

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

I really have to go and make sure tea doesn't burn... and then of course it's the group!?!

But I will be coming back here later to see what's what!

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

Xander

Funnily enough, I accepted the changing of the times quite easily.

Several things in my short lifetime have been changed... I can imagine the outcry when Birthdays and christmasses were banned. Not that I am that old!

I reasoned along the scriptural lines of the light getting brighter...etc.etc

No, what's thrown me is this business of being in NGO and the navy thing.

And yes I too was bullied for being a witness. I don't think there's witness kid alive that doesn't know what being kicked and spat on is like.

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

I thought that Josephus the historian, mentioned Jesus. In between tile counting I'm sure I heard that...

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

I must be slow!

I just worked out there's a time difference between our postings.

I live in Britain, England to be exact and it's now 4.45pm (I'm suppose to be cooking tea) here so I guess it must be like 9 or tenish in the evening ? yeah? Who knows!

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NGO ? Please help!

by Bosho in

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i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).

i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.

Bosho

WOW!

I'm stunned.

I'm afraid the nineties are a bit of a blur to me. Don't know why I sure wasn't under the influence!

I have to say thanks to everyone who has replied.

I also have to say I'm just so.... I don't know. I really don't know.

I'll come clean with the lot of you and see what you make of the mess that it me!

My parents (my father is now resting in peace) are witnesses, my aunt is, my brother, his wife, her family, my husband, all his family. (Get the picture.)

I've been going since I was born. (I'm now nearly thirty) and I have to admit that as a child I never paid attention. I was the one staring at the ceiling counting roof tiles!

I was always asking questions, always my question was " but why?" but most of the time, I'd just go with the flow... I still do if I'm honest.

I go to meetings and occassionaly go out on service... but I bet you can guess. It's just going with the flow!

BUt then this programme on panorama came on and I was shocked... I found this website through bbc website.

Now comes the part that shocked the hell out of me but won't surprise you at all.

I expected your forums to be "DIE witnesses DIE!"

But it's not, well not all the time anyway!. It's people who have put a lot of effort into researching things that concerned them.

And then I find things like this NGO thing and The Navy thing and the policy on One Witness thing (Children thing) and I think "Oh dear!"

Would anyone here object to me collating as much of your hard worked for research and sending it off the bethel to find out the truth once and for all?

I have to admit to being (Intellectually challenged) slow sometimes, so some of your arguments and findings..like the Navy thing.... go right over my head.

But I need to know. I need to know if there is something majorly wrong with the organisation or if it just Satan having a go at my already week faith.

I have to admit that if WTBS isn't God's organisation then I won't believe in God anymore at all. I can't see him using any other organisation. and the each one to this own thing doesn't make sense to me (please I'm not being offensive to anyone) because there is no unity in discord and what would the point of the bible be if people were just going to take what they wanted from it and discard the rest.

I really hope no one thinks I'm being a stuck up witness trying to defend her religon. I just want answers. badly.

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Get aload of this..

by Xandria in

this is crazy.. just go under each topic on this sight and read.

it speaks on each topic we have touched on in this forum and bascially gives thier "answer" and thoughts as silly as some are.

xandria

Bosho

What I was trying to say was this.

Please bear with me, sometimes what I write bears no resemblance to what I think!

Yes, you are right the elders do have a responsibilty; Yes they have failed alot of children. Yes they should be held accountable and made to pay for that!

But not all of them are bad.

And it is not policy to surpress victims or try to hide it. Their policy is for the individual to get in contact with the police as soon as they can. They will even do this on their behalf if required.

You can't kid me otherwise because it has happened to our family.

They didn't fail my niece.

The elders were the ones who said to my sister in law "get intouch with the authorites and quick"

The "person" (more like scum) who was responsible was in another congregation; The elders in my sisters congregation got into contact with the elders of the other cong. They held a meeting the same day and he was removed from all his responsibilties (he of course denied it and being never found guilty by a court of law he wasn't disfellowshipped either.

(If you are previous witnesses you should know they can only disfellowship if the person is unrepentant which denial is obviously unrepentant You may disagree with this, but I have no doubt that there would be lawsuit after lawsuit if they did disfellowship regardless of denial)

He was watched at every meeting and I mean watched! (They followed him everywhere from going to the toilet, and of course it didn't take long for the gossip mill to get to work and every one knew what was going on. Plus my sister in law made damn sure that she passed around to all her friends with children (and ones who didn't) what he'd been doing!)
Funny thing, he eventually got fed up with being watched and he left.

Even funnier, he's now an apostate he even speaks out against the organisation about his supposed "Miscarriage of justice, shunning etc!" If I ever got hold of him I'd give him a miscarriage of justice!

But God is a god of love...read your bible.... look around you.... watch your children.... sit beside a beautiful lake..he is love! of course bearing in mind if he'd done something about it a thousand years ago, Jesus wouldn't have come to earth...no ransom sacrifice.. no one survives.

You judge God by human standards. You can't do that.He is perfect; so his balance of wisdom, justice etc is perfect. Ours misses the mark by miles.

And he will make that man pay.... I can only imagine his face when he realises he's lost.

Death may be quick and he may no nothing after dying.

But he will in the few seconds before he dies. He'll know. And that's the revenge I want.

The courts don't do a great job sometimes. How can they when they are run by imperfect humans

The elders may have failed a lot of children and that is more than shameful that is horrendous and I feel so badly for each and every child who has suffered.]

But it isn't the policy to keep the police out of it.

Panorama may have shown the two that didn't. But they didn't ask about what the elders did for my sister in law.

Or for the two cases in a city by me recently. (Both sets of elders banned the brothers from their halls. (One has gone to prison and one was freed)) Contacted the police on the childrens' behalf, and helped as much as they could.

Unfortunatly not every elder is as good and responsible. Yeah so they screwed up badly and they should pay for that.
But don't burn the majority for the minority sins.

And before anyone points out that you are all apostates and I shouldn't be talking to you. Funnily I'd guessed that already.
I have my own issues with the organisation which is why I came here. For some answers. To try to get some clarity as to which way I should go.

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Are any of you actually witnesses here?

by A_Revelation in

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how can all of you say that you are disgusted etc when you dont know any thing about the organisation?.

im sure you didnt really worry before but now you are all acting upset etc.. i stress to say that it is accusations not fact.. i am 16 and found the program annoying in the fact that we were portrayed completely wrong.. the bbc could say what they liked.. i think that people should be more sincere and less assuming.. thanks, mark

Bosho

It sure has!

Thanks Larc