Posts by robhic

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IS JEHOVAH A PERVERT?

by jayhawk1 in

sometimes i wonder how something made it into the bible in the first place.... genesis 38, the story of judah and his daughter-in-law tamar.

background judah's firstborn son er was bad in jehovah's eyes, so jehovah put him to death.

genesis 38:6. so judah being the good father that he was gave tamar to his second son to have sex with and have children in the name of the fallen er... we pick up reading in genesis 38:9.

robhic

The story is illustrated here:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/er_and_onan/gn38_01.html

Did you see the size of the "deposit" Onan left in that "Brick Testament" illustration? Wow, he was almost super-human!

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Why does god allow suffering?

by GBSJG in

i always had trouble with answering that question.

if there is a god why is there so much suffering?

so i looked up the offical explanation of the wts in the bible teach book chapter 11 paragraph 12 says: let us consider an illustration.

robhic

Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem.

Let us also consider another view. What if the rebellious student is right? What if his answer is the correct one and is a better resolution than the teacher's?

If the teacher is worth a damn as a teacher, he/she would view the student's solution with an open mind. And if it truly is a better answer, then the teacher would (or should) congratulate the student on fine work and work this new solution into his teaching for the future. How do people think improvements in the real world occur?

We'd have no microwave ovens if that technician hadn't walked in front of a radar dish with the candy bar in his pocket. Before that happened, this guy's teacher would have had a whole different "take" on microwaves and radar dishes. His old teachings wouldn't have included radar-like devices being used for cooking. Would his student (the technician with the candy bar) have been called a "rebellious student?"

In the example given by the WTS I guess the rebellious student's only fate would have been to be ostracized, thrown out of the classroom and/or be killed for going against the teacher.

Glad I didn't go to that school!

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Is Jehovah Satan?

by sinis in

found this interesting snipit from a website.

actually makes sense.

the god of the ot is very violent, no matter how many ways you cut it.. religions fail to understand that jehovah is not the peaceful god that jesus called "father.

robhic

This is something I had posted a while ago. It's somewhat relevant to this thread:

Why is satan supposed to be so bad? What did he actually do? He gets the blame, sure, but what does he explicitly do? Can’t explain why you did something bad? Blame the devil! An excuse.
He tempted Adam & Eve by telling them the truth! If they ate from the tree they would be the equal of god. Is this true? They ate from the tree. God got pissed and threw them out. (Now, did they possess the same knowledge, attributes, etc. that god had? I don’t know that part, it’s all about them getting tossed from the garden. But I digress.)
If they did have all god’s attributes, why could he so handily bounce them from the garden? Why didn’t they fight back? There were two of them. In any case, god said if and when they ate from the tree they would die. But they lived another 900 or so years. So who lied? Not satan...
And the bit about tempting jesus. So what? He tempted him, jesus declined the offer, no-harm-no foul as far as I can see. What does satan actually do that makes him so bad?
Tell folks to slaughter women and children (but keeping the more attractive women for wives)? Destroy whole towns or civilizations? Kill 70,000 people because some guy took a census and a myriad of other nasty things? No, it was god (the one who supposedly loves everyone) doing this! Not satan...
God does all the reprehensible things but satan gets blamed for stuff only because he seems to be a handy scape goat the way I see it. Gotta have someone or somewhere to place blame. It seems satan is just a convenient excuse for not taking responsibility oneself. And just for trying to make people more aware that the being they worship is an egomaniacal, self-focused, jealous, petty, vicious, capricious, mysoginistic, racist who insists that you live your whole life, without question, by his rules exclusively or he’ll kill you. Some choice. One lies yet says it is impossible for him to do so and one doesn’t lie but is called the "Father of the Lie." Say what?

So I guess it does make things a bit murky...

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September AWAKE

by stillajwexelder in

got the september awake tonight.

marked on the front cover special issue in orange letters.

the title is " is there a creator".

robhic

ooops! Forgot! Its Satan that caused cancer, diabetes, arthritis, schizophrenia, congenital blindness and alzheimers and turned the mosquitos into nasty bloodsuckers! LOL

That bastard!!!

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HOW could I be so stupid?

by rassillon in

in light of the upcomming study of the revelation book.. i thought i would go over it to prepare my self so i wouldn't blow chunks......i don't think i will be able to help it.. *** re chap.

1 p. 8 revelationits happy climax!

searching out divine secrets.

robhic

An even stronger reason for publishing this book is the need to keep up-to-date with present truth.

Never having been a JW, it always amazes me when I see statements like this. How in the world do they explain or justify using the limiter "present" when talking about something that, to be of any value, must be absolute?

Sure some things you'd expect to be true within limits. During winter it's true that it might be cold outside and not true during summer. You expect that "truth" to be transitory. But how can something supposed to be an absolute, non-varying "truth" (like the bible or other similar thing should be) be "present?"

Does that mean that at some past time or even in some future time, the present truth might become false? How do they explain this?

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a question

by pallemar in

what part of the bible, goes against, wathtower doctrins?

i can gues, here is a lot.

is here a homepage with it?

robhic

While not a direct answer for your question, try this website for some eye-opening things: http://www.qwotes.info/index.htm

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Is Jesus YOUR Mediator??

by Lady Liberty in

just sent this to a friend.

thought i would post it here as well, for any of you who have never seen this, or who may need it in the future when talking to friends and family still in.. sincerely,.

lady liberty.

robhic

Where do they base the idea that Jesus is the mediator of only a part of the believers? Even if we are to suppose that only a part will go to heaven does that necessarily imply that the rest do not have the same mediator? Even if they are supposedly staying on earth?

Christ, though, is the "mediator of a new covenant" between Jehovah and spiritual Israel, the "Israel of God" that will serve as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus.

I am certainly no scholar of WT-speak, but from the part above, it looks like they're taking "Spiritual Israel" and doing their damndest to twist it into the implied meaning of "kings and priests in heaven with Jesus" = Spiritual Israel = JW annointed.

Yeah, I can see that. Clear as mud.

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The Bible: How and by whom was the bible put together?

by evergreen in

yes, i know the old testament made up of the law(torah) and the prophets were written and handed down through time and kept by the jews,as can be seen to this day.

who put it together?

after all , wasn,t it the catholic church that kept the writings in the latin untill the time of the reformation, whereby it was only then translated into other languages?

robhic

The book of Revelation nearly didn't make it into these canonical books.

And you have to wonder who, after slogging thru all this craziness, decided "Yeah, I think the stories of mass destruction and beasts with talking horns on their heads should be included!" <OK, now where's my pipe and hemp?!>

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WALKING THE WATCHTOWER TIGHTROPE

by Terry in

ever go to a circus and watch the tightrope walkers go from one end of the stretched line to the other balancing precariously along the way?.

it is only compelling to watch because one good slip could plunge the hapless performer to their doom!

the balancing act, then; becomes a question of getting from point a to point b without dying!

robhic

Time is short. It always has been! Armageddon is in our generation. Just like all the generations before us.

Terry, insightful as always. I thought this one just jumped out at me for being such a simple statement but obviously it isn't comprehended by most members. " Just like all the generations before us." The end is soon, just like for the last 100 or so years! Could it be more clear?

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What's in a Name?

by robhic in

in reading a post above, this thought hit me:i know nimrod's name in hebrew means "let's rebel".. .

i've seen this same type statement numerous times.

"so-and-so's name, which means xxxxx ..." and amazingly the person's name means or describes what they just did (see quote above).

robhic

Didn't anyone here name their children according to a conveyed meaning ?
It's no wonder people think god has a 'first name' jehovah
Names are commonly given with purpose in meaning, in non-jw circles anyway

While not totally synchronous with the above post, I couldn't help myself. It's an old one but pretty funny:

An Indian Chief is questioned by his son how he got his name.

The chief tells him that the first thing he would see upon leaving the birthing tent of the new baby would be its name.

He then continues: "As I left the tent on the morning your sister was born, I saw a beautiful deer leaping thru the forest, so I named her 'Leaping Fawn'."

On the day your brother was born, I watched a buffalo run across the plains and so named your brother 'Running Buffalo'."

Does that answer your question "Two Dogs Copulating?"