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  Can you help me find info about Gods name

  by PoppyR in

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  hi everyone, i have tried the search function (honest!

  ) but cant find the posts that i know are here.

  tonight in the book study they were talking about daniel using gods name and i remembered reading somewhere that the jws put it in the nwt where it wasn't used.

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  robhic

  This link will probably give you access to more information than you even want:

  http://www.tetragrammaton.org/itmdnnwt.htm
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  God only hears SOME prayers.....but not all.

  by gumby in

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  if you are a loser who doesn't know god....but you would like to, and you haven't conformed your life to him, nor fear him yet because you don't know him ....he doesn't listen to you.

  you must conform first.....then he'll listen.. below are various quotes from the society.. watchtower, may 15, 1990, pp.11-12 fear jehovah, the hearer of prayerfear jehovah, the hearer of prayer.

  a restricted privilege.

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  5. When I left the JW cult I had hypertension, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, low potassium (so low it was approaching lethal levels), intense depression and IBS. 5 months later it was all gone...

  Honesty:

  I am sincerely glad that you find comfort and even physical well-being in your belief. But, do you think that most of the symptoms (above) could have been caused by the constant stress that JWs are put under and leaving alleviated them? I also seems a trip to the doctor and a thorough physical exam would have probably disclosed the problems you cite and a capable physician could have and most likely would have addressed them with you.

  This is not a criticism (who am I to find fault with someone's sincere belief?) but my curiousity. I find many of the things associated with any flavor of organized religion distasteful. In my opinion, I think medical attention along with changing one's mental, wishful thinking attitude is at least as effective.

  But that's me...
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  God's Organization.

  by Blueblades in

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  2. beliefs

  it is evident that the only way any organization could be god's organization would be if god appointed it as such.

  jehovah's witnesses believe that the watchtower society received that appointment in the spring of 1919 in fulfillment of the most important scripture in watchtower theology---matthew 24:45-47.. on the watchtower's official website under the heading, 'what jehovah's witnesses believe" they list forty of their teachings.

  but their most important teaching, the only teaching that needs to be known------"the watchtower society is god's organization"---is not mentioned.. this from,"captives of a concept" page17.

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  A trip with Jesus to various denominations however would be an interesting tour...eh? I think the one i'd like to watch his face the most would be with the holy roller bastards. He'd have a cow.

  And just imagine the look on his face if he would see one of those religions that dance with snakes!

  JC: WTF? Are you people dancin' with that there snake? Are ye nuts? It's a SNAKE not a dancing partner. What are you thinking?!

  I think the J-man would really start tripping if he personally (if he was real in the first place...) observed some of the weird-ass shit done in his name!

  Robert -- professional heathen
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  God's Organization.

  by Blueblades in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is evident that the only way any organization could be god's organization would be if god appointed it as such.

  jehovah's witnesses believe that the watchtower society received that appointment in the spring of 1919 in fulfillment of the most important scripture in watchtower theology---matthew 24:45-47.. on the watchtower's official website under the heading, 'what jehovah's witnesses believe" they list forty of their teachings.

  but their most important teaching, the only teaching that needs to be known------"the watchtower society is god's organization"---is not mentioned.. this from,"captives of a concept" page17.

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  Would Jesus tell the churches to sell their buildings and give the proceeds to the poor and for them meet in homes instead?

  Would Jesus be surprised when they all looked at him funny, moved away and ignored him for even suggesting that?
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  Interesting Book (Sorry if this is a double-post)

  by robhic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just bought this book -- "the end of faith" by sam harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph.

  it is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points.

  it is about all religions, not jw but it includes all religions in its sights.

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  I just bought this book -- "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph. It is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points. It is about all religions, not JW but it includes all religions in its sights.

  I'd have to practically re-write the entire book to give examples of parts I liked, but I'll copy this one as a taste:

  "Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever." The End of Faith, pg. 19

  That's a good start to give some idea of the tone of this book. I haven't finished reading it but see no resaon to think the rest will be any different. I'll have to use that yogurt = invisible man one if I get the chance.

  There are also a couple of interesting thoughts about how a 14th Century scholar would stack up intellectually with a modern child in grade school and some comparisons / contrasts of ancient biblical truths or realities and how they would be perceived today. Fascinating.

  So far it is a really good read. But maybe that's just me ...

  Robert
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  Interesting Book

  by robhic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just bought this book -- "the end of faith" by sam harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph.

  it is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points.

  it is about all religions, not jw but it includes all religions in its sights.. i'd have to practically re-write the entire book to give examples of parts i liked, but i'll copy this one as a taste:.

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  I just bought this book -- "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris -- and found myself agreeing with almost every paragraph. It is about religion as a bad thing -- "religion, terror, and the future of reason" -- and would probably be more for the atheists than anyone still involved in a religion but it does make some good points. It is about all religions, not JW but it includes all religions in its sights.

  I'd have to practically re-write the entire book to give examples of parts I liked, but I'll copy this one as a taste:

  "Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever." The End of Faith, pg. 19

  That's a good start to give some idea of the tone of this book. I haven't finished reading it but see no resaon to think the rest will be any different. I'll have to use that yogurt = invisible man one if I get the chance.

  There are also a couple of interesting thoughts about how a 14th Century scholar would stack up intellectually with a modern child in grade school and some comparisons / contrasts of ancient biblical truths or realities and how they would be perceived today. Fascinating.

  So far it is a really good read. But maybe that's just me ...

  Robert
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  JW's: Polytheists?

  by jstalin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking today about the issue of jesus' deity (or lack thereof), according to the wts.

  they say that jehovah is god, jesus is not the same as jehovah, but that jesus is a god.

  doesn't that make jws polytheists?

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  "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt...You shall have no other gods besides Me."

  What were my choices? I thought it was widely accepted that there was only one. Do you think christians know this? Who did jehoobah think would steal his adoring crowd from him? Not one of those golden cows or a snake or something, eh? And he didn't bring me out of Egypt. I've never even been there!
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  USE EDUCATION TO PRAISE JEHOVAH outline

  by ackack in

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  2. beliefs

  use education to praise jehovah no 146 (11/00)

  note to the speaker:.

  present this material in an appealing and reasonable way.

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  I especially liked the way they started off citing bible verses and then went to citing WTS publications. They went from putting "1Tim 4:6" to "W 9/95" (or whatever) at the end of the sentences. Pretty arrogant.
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  How about a reasoning book for JW's?

  by ackack in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was just thinking about collaboratively writing a reasoning book around common jw errors.

  anyone feel like adding/fixing some of this up?

  what are some other common objections you've run up against?1914.

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  Is that what this book is? Can anyone comment who has read it?

  The book "Reasoning From the Scriptures with Jehovah's Witnesses" is more-or-less what you'd expect from a fundy-type christian guy thumping his bible in response to the JWs thumping of theirs. I read the book and it does contain a lot of good reference material and compares and contrasts JW teachings with what the bible (not a NWT) actually says. Of course he adds his fundy-christian take on things ( like the trinity) too.

  If you're looking for technical and some subjective information, references and quotes, this book is good. If you are bored to tears by another religious discussion and "My bible is better than your bible" type book I'd say use your own discretion. Can't hurt.

  Robert
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  Second Chance?

  by RU Saved in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does this quote mean that basically everyone will be resurected and then have another chance to learn about god during the 1000 year millennium?

  included in the earthly resurrection will be (1) the faithful witnesses of jehovah who died before christ did, (2) the billions of other people who will be brought back in the "resurection of judgement" and (3) the people of good will who today take their stand on god's side but who through sickness, old age or another cause happen to die before armegeddon is fought.

  it is thought that the earthly resurrection will be spread out over a period of time so that all these people after being resurected on earth can be taken care of in an orderly way, and without confusion.

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  Here are a couple of items I have saved in regard to this question. Looks pretty much like they're saying you have to be a JW to survive:

  From The Watchtower, September 1, 1989, p. 19:

  "Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium":

  Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.

  (Revelation 7:9-17; 2 Corinthians 4:4) They will make up the "flesh" that Jesus Christ said would be saved through the worst tribulation of all human history. As it was in the days of Noah, said Jesus, so it would be in the day when He would be revealed. Inside the ark that took many years of organized effort to complete, only eight human souls survived the global Deluge. They survived as a united family group. (Matthew 24:22, 37-39; Luke 17:26-30) Noah’s wife corresponds to the bride of Christ, and his sons and daughters-in-law to Jesus’ present-day "other sheep," who have grown into an increasing great crowd, the final proportions of which we do not now know. (John 10:16) For survival into the Millennium under the Greater Noah, Jesus Christ, they have to remain organized with the anointed remnant, "the chosen ones" on account of whom the days of the "great tribulation" will be cut short.

  From The Watchtower, December 1, 1999, p. 18:

  Be Happy Readers of the Book of Revelation

  The message is clear: If we want to survive Armageddon, we must remain spiritually alert and keep the symbolic garments that identify us as faithful Witnesses of Jehovah God.

  Is this not what they are implying/shouting out? And I have many more quotes.

  Robert