Posts by crinklestein

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Well I finally got the cajones.....
by hoodwinked in
1. jw
2. friends
gidday to all you "apostates"....or should i say "truth-seekers" on j-w.com .

i have been "lurking" on this board for about 3 months and i finally feel ready to say something about the situation that i am in right now.

it's rather tenuous because i was recently baptised <1yr ago.
crinklestein

Greetings and salutations! We are the borg. resistance is futile. that is all. Hahaha! Just kidding.
Isn't it nice to remove yourself from the hive mind? It's nice and peacefull isn't it?
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JW's NOT Pacifists!
by pettygrudger in
1. jw
2. friends
http://www.purelanguage.net/forums/showthread.php?s=113336d091f780544504bb7ab27cc48d&threadid=7473

there are news reports at the moment going around about a women basketball player that turned her back on the flag to protest the iraq war.

her comments to reporters were that she was: "raised as a jehovahs witness in richmond, calif., she said her mother, fayette elliott, does not acknowledge the flag and raised her children to believe they could choose not to as well.
crinklestein

I bet ya the people that are anti-war and anti violence of any kind are the kind of people that don't discipline their children in any way and have nothing but screaming spoiled bratts running around the house wreaking havok.
War is like a disciplinary action on the offending country for violating world policies. This is the way we have been treating Sadam:
US: "Sadam. What did I tell you about invading Kuwait. BAD SADAM. NO INVADING KUWAIT! If you invade Kuwait you're gonna get a time out."
Sadam: "OK. Sorry."
<Then he invades again>
US: "What did I tell you about invading Kuwait? NO INVADING KUWAIT! If you do it again you'll get a spanking."
Sadam: "OK. Sorry."
<Sadam violates another world policy on warheads>
US: "No nukes, Sadam! We said no nukes. We want to see if you have any nukes so let me into your room. Let us in Sadam! If you don't let us in then you'll get a spanking."
Sadam: "Ok. Sorry."
<he makes a feigned attempt of let us in and then locks us out.>
US: "Sadam! I said let us in! Let us in. This isn't funny anymore. If you dont let us in then you'll get a spanking!"
Do you see the patern here? Sadam is like a little child and the US is like a bad parent. And we are always chastising the naughty child with threats of punishment that never come. The child sees that the parent isn't serious when they issue the threat of a punishment so the child never stops misbehaving. This does nothing but raise a spoiled brat!
What this parent needs to do is surprise the hell out of Sadam and give him one of the biggest ass whoopings that he's ever had in his life. Then he'll be like, 'Damn! I guess they're serious now! I better behave."
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Difference between Disfellowshipping and inactive/disassociation
by Scooby in
1. jw
2. friends
do you guys know what the difference is between disfellowshipped/inactive/disassociation?.

i am not sure which one to do to myself (ha ha)!!!

i figured your experiences would help me decide which one is right for me as i don't trust i'll get the best answer for me from one of my current jw friends.
crinklestein

I was in my early 20's when I was a witness and had several bad relationships before that so I wasn't into dating for a while. So that never interested me while I was a witness. But there were several 20 somethings in the hall that were just horny as hell and desperate to get some tail! And the only reason they went to the conventions was to meet sisters from other areas, court them and get married within 6 months. One of these guys' brothers, Chris, got married and Rob was so jealous that he stepped up his efforts to find a girl and rushed headlong into a marriage about 2 months after that.
The thing was, this girl he married was a freakin fruitloop so I'm sure the mariage is going great right about now! Idiots. He asked me one time why I wasn't interested in finding a woman like the rest of them were. I told him I wasn't raised up oppressed so I wasn't restricted in doing what I wanted to do once I was an adult. When I was a horny teen I hooked up with a girl and did the deed, thereby getting rid of the horniness. And after experiencing some bad relationships I wasn't interested in dating until I got over some heartbreaks and discovered who I was as a person. I told him that I couldn't get into and maintain a relationship with someone if I didn't know who the hell I was. And I made sure he understood that I thought it was incredibly stupid who all the young men in the hall are in a contest to see who gets married first. And then to get into a permanent marriage based on sex.
Then jokingly I told him, "You want to get rid of that horny feeling? Get a hooker, repent and get on with your life."
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Baptism Nullification Endgame
by Maverick in
1. jw
2. friends
well the governingbodygod has added a new twist to my bn letter.

they are not contesting my stand that i was never a baptized member.

but they have decided to treat me as if i was an unbaptized publisher.
crinklestein

CLASSIC!!! That's great! I may have to remember that!
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The reason why I condemn the witnesses
by crinklestein in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i once engaged in a debate about why the catholic church was a totally corrupt organization and is bloodguilty for hundreds of years of murder and deciet and one half-assed "i'm sorry" is not going to make up for it.

not even a thousand sorries will make up for it.

after visiting here and seeing all the horrible experiences you all have had i now apply the debate to the witnesses as well.
crinklestein

Weren't the scribes and the pharisies God's organization on earth at the time of Jesus? Look what happened to IT! It got overrun with the laws of men overburdoning their follows with insane religious law that undermined the very foundation of what the religion was supposed to be about! And it was disowned and and condemned by God.
Could this be what we call "Foreshadowing"? Hmmmm....
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How pathetic....
by starfish422 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
when you think about it, how ridiculous and pathetic is the theocratic ministry school?

the dubs are so unimaginative and incapable of independent thought that they have to be spoonfed presentations.

the same goes for the "how to present the magazines..." section of the km.. i just cringe when i think about those silly little talks i used to give (sitting, of course!
crinklestein

gitasatsangha, that is hilarious! Working on gestures during a masterbation speach... HAHAHA!!! That was great!
I only had 4 talks. 3 in the back room and one in the main hall. My first one got an ovation because it was so well worded, consise and to the point and I wrapped it up perfectly. The elder was flabergasted that I was such a good speech writer.
Maybe it was then that they started to realize that I am a good debater and that's when the worrying started when I started asking questions and making points about things that I have noticed and they found it difficult to answer.... Hmmmm... that could be a possibility of why they had their nervous attitude when I confronted them....
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The reason why I condemn the witnesses
by crinklestein in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i once engaged in a debate about why the catholic church was a totally corrupt organization and is bloodguilty for hundreds of years of murder and deciet and one half-assed "i'm sorry" is not going to make up for it.

not even a thousand sorries will make up for it.

after visiting here and seeing all the horrible experiences you all have had i now apply the debate to the witnesses as well.
crinklestein

Thanks Gumby. Nice to be here!
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The reason why I condemn the witnesses
by crinklestein in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i once engaged in a debate about why the catholic church was a totally corrupt organization and is bloodguilty for hundreds of years of murder and deciet and one half-assed "i'm sorry" is not going to make up for it.

not even a thousand sorries will make up for it.

after visiting here and seeing all the horrible experiences you all have had i now apply the debate to the witnesses as well.
crinklestein

I also used the example of a child day care center.
One more example: There's a daycare company and they are in charge of taking care of children. Now if one of the daycare workers mollests a child and is caught by her boss it would be the bosses responsibility legally and MORALLY to FIRE HER and have her ARRESTED. Regardless of how "penitent" the emplyee was she should still be fired (excomunicated from the company). The boss knows that she is legally accountable for the actions of her employees and knows that she has to turn her in.
If she does then she is off the hook with the law because she took appropriate action when knowledge of these events came to her attention.

If she covered up the mollestation, protected the employee, moved her out of state to another daycare that the company owned and paid off the family to keep silent THAT is when the company would be considered to be CORRUPTED. And if that managers boss knew about this and allowed her to engage in this action it just makes this company even more currput. The other daycare workers may be totally innocent and they are not accountable for the actions of their boss and co-worker. But they would, at that point, be working for corrupt organization. And if they knew there was a history of this happening, even though they are totally innocent, I would question their morality of anyone that would be willing to work for employers of such questionable business practices.

Would you be willing to provide services to the mob? Even though the people you're dealing with may not have done anything illegal, they represent and do business with individuals that break the law (and other people's legs). Would you, in good conscience, provide services for criminals?
There is also a FEDERAL LAW that states that it is considered a crime to NOT report any child abuse that you are aware of. So ALL of these groups that know of this abuse and do not turn them in to the law are, in fact, breaking the law themselves and are aiding and abetting a known fellon.
But,as I had said, anyone that aligns themselves with KNOWN CRIMINALS and provides services to those KNOWN CRIMINALS are guilty by association. Just like if you are driving a car and you have a friend in the passenger seat. It that friend pulled out a gun a shot a group of people on the sidewalk you are also held responsible because you associated yourself with him and you were driving the car. You wouldn't provide friendly services to the mob, why would you provide friendly services to a group convicted of covering up the most heinous crimes known? I would have nothing to do with any company or organization that has done these kinds of things for fear of sharing in their blood guilt.
The Bible does say, "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins." I believe that sincere Christians should consider not being affiliated with such an organization. And by repeating the lies that they tell you about why the WTS isn't responsible you are assisting in the cover up and held just as responsible as they are.
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The reason why I condemn the witnesses
by crinklestein in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i once engaged in a debate about why the catholic church was a totally corrupt organization and is bloodguilty for hundreds of years of murder and deciet and one half-assed "i'm sorry" is not going to make up for it.

not even a thousand sorries will make up for it.

after visiting here and seeing all the horrible experiences you all have had i now apply the debate to the witnesses as well.
crinklestein
I once engaged in a debate about why the Catholic Church was a totally corrupt organization and is bloodguilty for hundreds of years of murder and deciet and one half-assed "I'm sorry" is NOT going to make up for it. Not even a thousand sorries will make up for it. After visiting here and seeing all the horrible experiences you all have had I now apply the debate to the Witnesses as well.
"Coruption
Well, the Catholic church has filed for bankruptzy. How pathetic can you get. The only reason they're doing this is so they don't have to pay for all the molestation lawsuits they're losing. We've been having a little discussion on this subject in Leoville. This whole organization is so corupted it's not even funny. These people can't even face the music of earthly justice, how do they think they're going to face heavenly justice. A bunch of freakin scumbags pimping religion like a dimestore hooker.
Someone made a comment that you can't condemmn an entire organization because of the actions of a relative few. Here's what I said in reply:

It was the pedophilia of a relatively few men, yes. But it was the action of the head officials to hide their actions that has involved the whole organization. They were, in essence, accessories to the crime. Kinda like how a getaway driver gets convicted for the bank robber's actions because the getaway driver helped him in his crime, helped him escape the scene of the crime and made sure that he wasn't caught. The head officials in these cases helped the perverts get away, covered up their actions and gave them sanctuary and only when they were busted did they admit it and feel bad for their actions. I don't buy it.

But when any leaders of any organization aids a large group of people in their illegal activity and helps them get away with it that entire organization is guilty. Look at the Taliban for instance... they have aided terorism, they have covered up their activities to the best of their abilities, they have given them sanctuary and protection, they are guilty and that seems to be good enough reason to start a war with them and take them down. Because of the actions of a few terrorists we have deemed the entire Taliban organization guilty. Curious...

If the organization had taken those perverts and kicked them out of the church and had charges filed against them AS ANY DECENT PERSON WOULD DO then that would be good. But they didn't. Any company, any organization, any agency any decent PERSON that knows of someone breaking the law and comitting a major crime such as this is responsible for alerting the authorities and filing charges against them.
I don't know of ANY employer that wouldn't fire someone and have them arrested if they found out that person stole from the company, sexually assaulted a co-worker, harased a co-worker, engaged in ANY illegal activity outside of work or ANYTHING. It seems to me that most major and minor companies have higher morals than the largest religious organization in the world. How did that happen?

So although the sex crimes were committed by a relative few there was an even greater crime committed by the leaders of the organization and that was a crime of covering up, providing sanctuary for the lawbreaker, paying off people to keep silent, and allowing people like that to still function within the organization and putting them in more situations that would allow them to repeat their crimes. But more importantly, they are guilty of betraying their parishioners who have put their faith and their trust in their religious leaders and they have been stabbed in the back by those they look to for guidance. That is the greatest crime of all. And because these leaders speak and act FOR the organization they ARE the organization. And since the leaders were allowed to remain in power by the head of the church... well, I think that speaks for itself."
Then someone said that if you have a gangrenous limb you shouldn't kill the whole body, just amputate the limb.

To which I had to reply:
"That would be great if it happened. But the problem is that instead of amputating the limb they covered it up with pretty dressing and flashy clothing and good deeds to hide the problem. This has caused the infection to spread. If left to fester as it has the gangrenous limb itself will kill the whole body. Unfortunately it wasn't the limb that had gangreen, it was the head. But the fact remains that the entire body is already dead. The infection has now taken over the body, possessing it, animating it and is acting through it. No matter what their good deeds are, they can't ever make up for all the blood on their hands. And this filing bankruptzy thing is patetic. They are souless sons-of-bitches and they will reap what they have sown.
And as far as I know, there's no bankrutzy in the afterlife to bail you out of your judgement."
After visiting this site I now see that the JW organization is just as guilty and that they are NO DIFFERENT than the Catholic Organization in these cover-up scandles. It will only be a matter of time before they have hundreds and hundreds of lawsuits against them and they will follow suit and claim bankruptzy. Maybe it will be then that these active JW's will wake up to the facts and leave the organization. Either that or they will be aligning themselves with an evil organization and will be considered "guilty by association."
I just watched the BBC documentary
by crinklestein in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i just watched one of the bbc documentaries on the jw abuse scandals and i just discovered a very glaring contradiction in their responses.

people goto the elders and report that they are being molested by their fathers.

the elders respond by saying 'leave it for jehovah to handle.
crinklestein

I just watched one of the BBC documentaries on the JW Abuse scandals and I just discovered a very glaring contradiction in their responses. People goto the elders and report that they are being molested by their fathers. The elders respond by saying 'Leave it for Jehovah to handle. God will take care of the problem.'
They say this to cover their own asses.
But when a newcomer or someone they meet in service asks them "Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?" They answer that God allows it to happen to prove to Satan that people don't have the ability to decide what is right and wrong and that we can't rule ourselves successfully without His guidance. So to prove him wrong He allows bad things to happen to good people."
If this is the case then what would God do for these children being molested??!! God would allow it to continue as He has allowed all the other evils in the world to continue.... to prove Satan wrong. The elders know this yet give the children false hope that God will come down from heaven and take care of their sick little fathers. I hope they suffer for all eternity for this!!!