That's what I say! If you don't agree with them why do you feel the need to leave their organization by their rules. It's liberating sticking up for yourself as an individual! When I left I never said one word to those idiots. I just stopped going. Sure they came by every now and then to "encourage" me. But I just told them I didn't need any encouragement. And shortly thereafter I moved away! No word to them. I don't need to explain jack to them. And I certainly don't need them to file out their little forms and label me with their little titles just to satisfy the god of paperwork and statistics that they worship.
crinklestein
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upcoming elder visit, need help
by greven ini have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.
the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".
anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.
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upcoming elder visit, need help
by greven ini have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.
the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".
anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.
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crinklestein
That's what I say! If you don't agree with them why do you feel the need to leave their organization by their rules. It's liberating sticking up for yourself as an individual! When I left I never said one word to those idiots. I just stopped going. Sure they came by every now and then to "encourage" me. But I just told them I didn't need any encouragement. And shortly thereafter I moved away! No word to them. I don't need to explain jack to them. And I certainly don't need them to file out their little forms and label me with their little titles just to satisfy the god of paperwork and statistics that they worship.
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Cult alley
by starScream ini have lived in the san diego area all my life and i have to say i can't imagine a place that has more cults.. this one street, melrose, which runs through a northern san diego city where i lived for years had virtually every cult you could think of in a one mile stretch including mormo and jw.. we also have a proliferation of ufo and cosmic cults.
we have this one whore of babylon, ruth norman, who is always on public access and operates out of east san diego.
just looking at her makes me want to puke.
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Molhie,
Who said anything about leaving Jesus? We just left the witnesses and their crackpot unscriptural laws. We left an organization that, by it's own definition, is filthy and something disgusting in the eyes of God. Most of us, including myself, have nothing against Jesus or God for that matter. It's not their fault that this organization misrepresents them. But Jesus and God will right all the wrongs that the WTBS have caused over the years and they will be held responsibile to answer for their actions.
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Did You Know Jehovah & Jesus Attend Meetings & Want You To Scrub Floors?
by minimus inaccording to the watchtower of dec. 15, 1985, jehovah and his son attend the meetings at the kingdom hall.
"how can you show gratitude for what jesus did" is the article that you should review.
this is what it states:"since jehovah and jesus are present invisibly at these gatherings, grateful christians will not snub them, as the apostates do, but rather do all they reasonably can to attend regularly.
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This is just another way to instill guilt into everyone. To make them feel that someone is always looking over their shoulders in a disapproving way. That God and Jesus will always think that you need to do more for them. That you are always lacking and are never good enough. They want to instill that inner voice into head that will always say, "What would God think of this? Would Jesus approve of that?" So that you are always questioning everything you do. This way they can thrive on your guilt when you don't live up to their standards.
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I Found My Mother's Ex-Husband!!!!!
by teenyuck ini was looking at the news this morning and voila!!
i see a big, hairy face staring at me from my computer..... this man bears a striking resembalence to my step-father, who happens to be from iraq...... notice the fur on the neck and shoulders?
granted, zaia (his name) was a little thinner, however, since i. have not seen him in 20 years i suppose he would have gained a few pounds.. .
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Behold! The face of fear! You may now commence your trembling.
They're not done with him yet. They still need to bash his face in with sharp stones. :)
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upcoming elder visit, need help
by greven ini have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.
the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".
anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.
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What kills me is why do we all need to boost their ego's any more? Why does everyone feel the need to play their game and feel subjected to them and their rule over your life? People just need to stick up for themselves. The way I look at it is like this: A JW comes up to me wanting me to explain where I've been and why I haven't been to a meeting and wants to know why I'm asking questions that is spreading doubt I say, "And you are... who? Some form of authority over me? I don't think so. Who are you that I need to explain MY actions to you?" Especially is this was done in my own house. Like the other person said, Remember that they are in YOUR HOUSE where YOU set the rules. Not them. Don't feel the need to explain your own actions.
I would also remind them that you and you alone are responsible for your actions. They are the concern of no one except for God.
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New JW Trinity
by OHappyDay injehovah.
the organization.
but he mentioned the organization and the faithful slave scores of times.. more and more i get the feeling that jesus exists only as a footnote, an after-thought among jehovah's witnesses.
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Jesus: "Thank you for praying. Please hold."
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upcoming elder visit, need help
by greven ini have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.
the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".
anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.
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crinklestein
Play their same game. They engage in spiritual blackmail. Why not up the ante and engage in ACTUAL blackmail. :)
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upcoming elder visit, need help
by greven ini have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.
the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".
anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.
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crinklestein
YES Lovesdubs! Brilliant idea! Hide a video camera in the room and record your meeting with them! This way, if they backtrack and lie about anything you can reveal their lies. This will make them look like the fools that you are. And then tell them that the tape will be distributed to the CO, the headquarters as well as any members HERE that want to see for themselves who they put their trust in.
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upcoming elder visit, need help
by greven ini have been inactive for quite a while since i started to do research on the society.
the elders knew about this and even encouraged it, until i started to ask the wrong type of questions, mostly of the kind: "can you provide verifyable evidence for that?".
anyway, they wanted to meet to discuss my current position towards the religion and towards the bible.
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crinklestein
I agree with answering their questions with other questions. I also agree with using the scriptures against them. I would also suggesting having them answer YOUR questions. Some questions I would suggest is, 'Is the purpose of your visit to draw a line in the sand where you would say, 'on this side you're with us and on that side you are against us?'"
"Do you look at a man's spirituality as being so black and white?"
"Do you think that the only things that make up a persons belief system is belief in the GB and belief that this is the only truth and nothing else?"
"Are you here because I have been asking questions about my faith?" If they say yes then remind them of the scripture about how, after an assembly all of those in attendance went to the scrolls to see if these things they were told were true. I can't remember which scripture it was but you can find it easily. Use this against them and prove to them that you are following scripture. And that, if they wanted to help you follow the Bible ways then they would assist you in finding the answers.
If they ask you if you believe in the GB and that this is the truth ask them, "One can't have a strong faith without knowlege of what it is he believes in. I believe the bible does say that a house built on the sand will never stand. Only a house that has a strong foundation will. Well brothers, that foundation is knowlege and the only way to seek knowlege is to ask questions. Since this is scripturally correct to do I am curious as to why you feel threatened by it. If there is nothing to hide why do you have a problem with me doing what people in the bible are noted as doing? Is there something that you don't want me to find out?"
Then point out that their own literature points out that you are not to rely on your own understandings. That you need to rely on what THEY tell you. Ask them, "Well, since you say for me not to rely on my own understandings but to rely on the F&DS and the GB and the elders, why do you then refuse to answer my questions? If I can't rely on you to answer these questions then I have no one else to rely on but myself. Who'se fault is that? You could end this now by answering my questions. Why drag this on any longer than it needs to? Shall we end this now with you answering my questions?"
If they refuse put the blame on them for the reason that you can't answer THEIR questions. "So let me get this straight. You refuse to answer my questions but you want me to answer your questions. Do I understand you correctly? In order for one to answer a question, doesn't one need ANSWERS? Since you know the very fact that I have questions and you willfully refuse to answer them how can I answer YOUR question? You make it difficult for me to do the right thing. I would LIKE to believe this but I find it difficult to believe anything when one refuses to give me the truth to these matters. Nothing would please me more than to have the answers to your questions. Help me help you, brothers. Help me answer you by answering me. Can't you see that I am in need of spiritual guidance? Why do you refuse to guide me? You are supposed to be the sheppards here. Why are you neglecting the flock in this way? " (Play it up. Start pleading with them. Work up tears if your able to. Act like you are REALLY confused and conflicted. But at the same time DONT answer YES/NO to their questions until they satisfy YOUR questions.
These people are like the Gestapo and they only see things in black and white. They want you to have unshakable faith but they don't want to back that faith up with scriptural proof. So until they can answer the questions that you have in order to validate your faith then tell them that, by their own inactions and the shirking of their spiritual GOD GIVEN duties, THEY are making it impossible for you to accurately answer THEIR questions. And then tell them that you would be more than happy to answer them once they have made it possible for you to do so.