Posts by truthseeker

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Let's get this PERFECTION thing out into the open

by Terry in

perfection implies two things: a purpose and a tool for the purpose.. the fork, by itself, is neither perfect nor imperfect.. a fork is perfect for eating peas but imperfect for eating soup.

the purpose and the tool must match.. people are not, of themselves, imperfect.

they are suited for or not suited for particular purposes.. .

truthseeker

Terry,

Perfection is not like being a robot that does all things perfectly in a controlled environment, rather it is coming to a knowledge of God's laws, then upholding those laws by not breaking them.

It is the breaking of law that is to miss the mark of perfection. When you learn a law, you are not willingly going to break it.

I do not think that God expects us to reach perfection in the present age. It is the next age that teaches and furthers the path to perfection.

Sinning willfully is what God forbids but believers cannot stop to analyze every single they do, but if they did, they would become bogged down in their ability to function daily.

God recognizes the pitfalls of being under outside tempters. Our job is not to analyze every aspect of our lives in this present age but to pray that we do not come into temptation, and if we do, then pray that we be delivered from its clutches.

Perfection has a lot to do with knowledge, but in various degrees. The Ten Commandments were a summary of God's will and what He expected of us. More laws came that expounded on the original ten. This is because of circumstances that revolve around life in creation.

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Died and came back with memories !

by oldflame in

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friends,.

i have a story to share with you and i hope that it does not bore you as it did just the opposite for me .

after hearing what i was told i was so pumped up with holy spirit i thought i was going to crawl right out of my own skin .

truthseeker

Kudos to Mary for saying what many of us probably wanted to say.

I believe in life after death. Our soul is our mortal human container inside which resides is our spirit, celestial energy, which is who we are, our consciousness. Your spirit is connected to this container via a silver cord or particulate energy.

NDEs and Astral Projection is where you temporarily leave your fleshly container and go travel or whatever that is why you can see yourself in the hospital bed, but you are still connected to your body via the cord.

I don't care whether anyone here believes it or not, this is what I believe, and no, it's not something that can be dissected under a microscope.

I remember someone telling me, that when you are close to death, your life flashes before your eyes, supposedly these are your memories being uploaded to your new "body", rather like packing and unpacking a suitcase.

1 Corinthians 15:36 " Foolish one! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies."

It is the mortal container that dies and just as the fallen angels shed their mortal containers to flee back into the spirit realm, people will be transformed to a spirit body in a similar way. Your fleshly container will die without your spirit giving it life-support, but you will be transformed into an incorruptible spirit body. That means that your new body will be beyond harm in the spirit realm for flesh cannot survive on the other side, it must die off during the transformation process.

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Are You A Screwed Up Adult Because You Were A Witness?

by minimus in

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or did it not matter that you were ever a witness---you're a bit screwy, anyway?.

truthseeker

I was thinking about this today Min, and yes, I do feel that I've been screwed up because I've been a JW for over 30 years.

I feel cheated to be honest, lost out on many opportunties that I could have had if I was never a JW.

And now I'm in my 30s, I feel like a late bloomer, having to learn everything that people already know.

For those of us unlucky to be born into "the truth", there are days when I wish I could go back, not for the boring meetings, but because I had a sense of belonging, now I have nothing, some would say well you're a free agent now, and I am, but I feel like I have freedom without friends.

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EX JW teen just signs with legendary producer!!!!!

by Lady Liberty in

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dear friends,.

it has been a long time since i have posted.

time heals much pain, and finally, my family and i have been able to move on with our life outside of jw land.. many of you became our friends, our support system, and you know very well our exit story...we were labeled, slandered and disfellowshipped for having questions regarding the date 607. we sent out letters exposing the elders and circuit overseer to over 200 families.

truthseeker

Congratulations LadyLiberty and to your daughter too!

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I think a lot of older (maybe younger ones) JW's are going to attempt/commit suicide....(READ)

by Joliette in

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i've been in lurkmode lately, but with the news that i heard about don cornelius dying, it had me thinking...as this world goes on, and people are coping with this world...i think a lot jw's are going to realize that the end of the world isnt coming...there gonna become more despert, the realities of having to work, pay off debts, etc.

a lot of jw's are going to realize that no magical sky daddy is come and 'take away there problems' and i think the more that they start to realize this, they get older, and there gonna start hating the reality that they have to face.

i had a good friend who's father-in- law (who was a ministrial servant) who had bipolar disorder, killed himself in his car back in 2007. it was sad.

truthseeker

Joliette,

I think you're right. No one could have imagined being here in 2012 on this side of the system. JWs have nothing to look forward to except more of the same.

I get the feeling that the Society has been on auto-pilot for many years. They have created a machine that prints endless books, magazines, tracts, schedules, Memorial announcments and convention programs, year after year.

There is nothing new under the sun. All the JWs can do is keep going through the endless motions year after year, doing the same thing while expecting different results.

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Draconian Rules for Attending "Special Convention"

by BluesBrother in

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british dubs are invited to attend a special convention next summer in dublin , irish republic.

o k, this kind of trip has been done many times before.

however i have never seen such a crude and rigid set of rules that would apply to their own people going on a trip, at their own expense of course.

truthseeker

Cedars,

Thanks for the information.

I wonder why they are doing this? In a global depression where people are losing their jobs, homes etc, why are the GB hosting an expensive "special" convention in Dublin? What is the point? What will be said there that regular dubs don't already know?

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Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH

by Terry in

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Without restating the Bible, I would surmise the excess water is where the North and South Poles are.

How about you tell me where the water from the Poles came from?

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Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH

by Terry in

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I might have said more, but Cofty disqualified me from further discussion :)

Then they have forfeited their place in any rational discussion.

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Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH

by Terry in

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Elderlite,

I understand the question, but suppose you look at it from his point of view. He views the Bible as having authority, therefore he quotes from the Bible to come to a conclusion.

This is not a bad thing in itself.

I could quote to you from a book on astronomy and give you the reference. You might take what I say as truth because I am quoting from a published work.

In this situation, you have a book, or 66 of them, that are believed by a lot of people to be God' Word. That is all the authority they need.

The doubters and skeptics don't believe the Bible or only believe portions of it, therefore they cannot accept the Word as the final authority on anything.

This is a situation where neither side can convince the other side of their viewpoint. It's not check mate, it's stalemate.

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Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH

by Terry in

truthseeker

Poopsie,

No offense taken, I can laugh at myself :)

BTW Elderlite, I am also taking the discussion seriously, I'm not a troll