and he said to them, "i tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of god come with power.
(mark 9:1).
when you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.
The problem is there is no demarcation between one tribulation and the next and we don't even know if there are TWO tribulations or if everything Jesus said about his generation would happen in ONE tribulation.
If the sun and moon did not give their light that would be an astrological event of huge importance and it would have been documented.
Truthseeker
everything about the jws points exclusively to jehovah, the god of the old testament.. jesus hardly gets a mention.
they can't ignore him completely but isn't it interesting that the only publication they produced about jesus, doesn't even have his name on it.
it's simply called "the greatest man who ever lived".
Everything about the JWs points exclusively to Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus hardly gets a mention. They can't ignore him completely but isn't it interesting that the only publication they produced about Jesus, doesn't even have his name on it. It's simply called "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived"
I was watching the "Caleb" animation documentary on JW.org. Not once did I hear the word Jesus. Not once. And at the end, some young kids said, "Thank you Jehovah"
It's really freaky to watch.
Look at some other ways JWs are similar to Old Testament Judaism
Approach to God
JWs are taught that Jesus is not their mediator. That we have the Governing Body as a mediator. We can only be friends of Jehovah through his undeserved kindness.
Christianity teaches that everyone can have a relationship with Jesus and he can be freely approached, that God is his father.
Works or Grace?
JWs are a "works based" religion. Even if you spent 90 hours a month talking about Jehovah, it matters not if you don't hand in your time sheet. Only a business would require its employees to report their time and only a business would promote an employee for working his butt off. An elder once told me that the "Circuit Overseer won't look at any brother whose hours are less than 10". You have to preach their message or risk being labelled blood guilty for not warning the wicked, i.e. anyone who is not a JW.
Christianity - we are saved by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8 says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
it's been quite a while since i lasted posted anything on jwn.
i was in hiding previously, but only because i wanted to avoid the shun gun until i had the opportunity to tell my former congregation what i think about the org./gb.
i last attended a meeting over 2.5 years ago but it wasn't until june--when i earned my bachelor's degree--that i finally had the time to collect my thoughts and get them down on paper...i decided to write my letter in a style i felt would be most appealing to my target audience--jw's still under gb mind control --in the hope that at least a few would read it and actually "think".
Notice how in the elders' response to her, Jesus does not even come into the equation. It is Jehovah this and Jehovah that.
JWs are the fourth branch of Judaism. You have to "approach" the GB as your mediators to be accepted by their god Jehovah (and Jesus)
it's been quite a while since i lasted posted anything on jwn.
i was in hiding previously, but only because i wanted to avoid the shun gun until i had the opportunity to tell my former congregation what i think about the org./gb.
i last attended a meeting over 2.5 years ago but it wasn't until june--when i earned my bachelor's degree--that i finally had the time to collect my thoughts and get them down on paper...i decided to write my letter in a style i felt would be most appealing to my target audience--jw's still under gb mind control --in the hope that at least a few would read it and actually "think".
spbondgirl007,
That was a great letter and excellent read.
How many of the 150 recipients responded and favourably?
Truthseeker
the influx of new posters made me wonder if the push to view jw.org is helping curious ones find this support site?.
please post whether you found jwn during an internet search or if someone told you about it.. i myself was directed here by a df'd family member once i shared my doubts with that person..
I found it a few months after the site went live, around July 2000.
That was where I found the "Daniel's Prophecy" bookmarker with the study schedule on the back.
not that long ago, the gay community had a campaign called "it gets better", i was thinking why not have a website like this for exjws who have left, particularly young people who may have been kicked out of their homes by their jw parents.. .
i think this idea has a lot of potential if done right?.
anyone have any comments?.
Not that long ago, the gay community had a campaign called "It Gets Better", I was thinking why not have a website like this for exJWs who have left, particularly young people who may have been kicked out of their homes by their JW parents.
I think this idea has a lot of potential if done right?
Anyone have any comments?
if there was a pill you could give to your jw family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?.
most would probably say yes.. but what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?.
some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs.
Yada yada,
Thanks for your insightful comments.
I agree, that for the majority of JWs, giving them a wake-up pill could be beneficial. The younger you are, the better. Not sure if those still living with parents and are minors would immediately benefit, but it could give them the impetus to start planning their exit.
"But what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?" As above, i must answer YES, for the benefit of the majority of JWs for the long-term. The short-term suffering of a few elderly or misfit JW's is not as important as the greater, long-term moral good gained from snapping JW's and the Watchtower Society out of it's moral and ethical BLINDNESS in disgustingly believing that 'Jehovah' essentially approves of child-sacrifice for fanatical adherence to erroneous interpretations of ancient scriptural passages on blood and a strict and totally unrealistic requirement for 'two witnesses' to child rape before ousting a paedophile from the congregation, for example. Our moral duty as Christians is to mitigate the worst forms of suffering as much as possible and build up from there. The Watchtower Society is BLOODGUILTY for the deaths of babies, children and adults because of blindly fanatical and legalistic, and erroneous immoral interpretations of ancient and entirely debateable scriptures.
This is a difficult one. Some JWs would lose it - but does the good of the many outweighh the good of the one or the few?
If it meant dismantling the entire stucture so that the JWs could never again recruit another person, I am of the opinion that some sacrifice would have to be made, but again, this is an ethical dilemma.
if there was a pill you could give to your jw family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?.
most would probably say yes.. but what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?.
some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs.
From the comments on here, which are they good by the way, it seems that those who have the most to gain from leaving should be woken up, those who need the WT crutch should be left alone.
if there was a pill you could give to your jw family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?.
most would probably say yes.. but what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?.
some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs.
If there was a pill you could give to your JW family members that would awaken their eyes to the truth about the cult, would you give it to them?
Most would probably say yes.
But what about those who are completely institutionalized, the elderly, the super zealous, the geeky kids who have no friends, the misfits?
Some people need "boundaries", they need someone to lead and give them directions, they need a sense of belonging, even in an organization that has no social programs. Some are hooked on the idea that they are Jehovah's name people and there is nowhere else to go. Others could not function without the "brotherhood" and have limited or no social skills to survive outside the organization.
Sometimes, the wolf is not necessary - the sheep are happy to build their own pen.
Freedom comes with a price and not all can handle it.
i have had this document for some time.
i think it was either given out at pioneer school or at one of the pioneer meetings with the circuit overseer.. .
how things have changed in 15 years.
I have had this document for some time. I think it was either given out at Pioneer School or at one of the Pioneer meetings with the Circuit Overseer.
How things have changed in 15 years. The box called "Faithful & Discreet Slave" never existed. It is the Governing Body.
They fooled all 7 million of us into thinking that there was this mysterious group of anointed Christians providing spiritual truths to the Governing Body when all along, none of the anointed outside of Bethel had any meaningful input.
What a crock.
