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End of an era: The original members of the Governing Body have all died
by truthseeker inthe reported death of governing body member bro.
barr marks the end of an era.
many of the original members of the governing body were around during the days of president rutherford.
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The reported death of Governing Body member Bro. Barr marks the end of an era. Many of the original members of the Governing Body were around during the days of President Rutherford. They saw the Society grow from its infancy to the huge empire that it is today.
Their policies and procedures affected the lives of millions of their followers. So absolute was their certainty that the organization was chosen by Jehovah to survive the coming Tribulation and the war of Armaggedon that they rode roughshod over all opposition to their failed prophecies.
They are responsible for the deaths of thousands of individuals who died over the blood policy, not to mention the untold number of people who were drive to suicide or other desperate acts due to their doctrine and policies.
Regardless of how approachable they may have been, how "humble" they were perceived, how grandfatherly they appeared in their old age, these men have blood on their hands.
They did not live to see the promise of a peaceful new world that they taught generations of their followers. Their hopes and dreams died with them.
All that is left of their once mighty empire, the New World Society, is a legacy of broken promises.
Now the old guard have passed on, only seven members remain, none of whom lived during the turbulent Rutherford years.
The current members of the GB are as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_Body_of_Jehovah%27s_WitnessesCurrent
As of December 2010, the following people are members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses (year appointed in parentheses):
- Samuel F. Herd (1999)
- Geoffrey Jackson (2005)
- M. Stephen Lett (1999)
- Gerrit Lösch (1994)
- Anthony Morris (2005)
- Guy H. Pierce (1999)
- David H. Splane (1999)
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Barr's already busying himself dispensing new spiritual truths......
http://www.letusreason.org/JW9.htm
“ It is fitting, then, that one of the 24 elders, representing anointed ones already in heaven, should stir John's thinking by raising a pertinent question.'... This suggests that the resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.'(Revelation, Its Grand Climax is at Hand, p. 125,1988)
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Does the WT distribute to those in need? Think layoffs, no more unemployment checks, foreclosures
by truthseeker inthe wt claims to be like the original christians of the first century.. if that is true, then it would be obvious to all that they follow the examples given in these two scriptures below:.
acts 2:45 "they sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.".
acts 4:35 "there were no needy persons among them.
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The WT claims to be like the original christians of the first century.
If that is true, then it would be obvious to all that they follow the examples given in these two scriptures below:
Acts 2:45 "They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need."
Acts 4:35 "There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
Do you know of anyone who fell on hard times, especially during this recession, who directly benefited from Kingdom Hall general funds? Is it difficult to get material assistance from the congregation?
I have heard of brothers (New Jersey) who lost their jobs and had their homes foreclosed on. Some moved in with family/friends.
I am sure some of the friends will lose their unemployment checks; how will they manage? Will the WT distribute to those in need?
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Are most JW's window washers?
by SlipnSlide ini have read this on this site and know some that do this type of work.
if most jw's are window washers, what other occupations are considered the type of jobs that a witless would have.
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Agonus,
You make some excellent points. Any talents a brother or sister has are generally not utilized because they are told they should be pursuing spiritual interests.
Some of the friends can play musical instruments and draw but you hardly ever see them doing what they're good at, except on very rare occasions when the congregation organises a "talent show" or a "gathering."
So much potential, so much waste.
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Are most JW's window washers?
by SlipnSlide ini have read this on this site and know some that do this type of work.
if most jw's are window washers, what other occupations are considered the type of jobs that a witless would have.
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In my former congregation there were four window washers. Two of them were regular pioneers.
One brother had some lucrative contracts and could afford to work part time. The others struggled.
Income is very much dependent on the weather.
I know of a sister who accompanied her husband in window washing. I don't think she took to it.
Some brothers worked for a loan company, going door to door collecting payments. I felt uncomfortable with this because they were charging people high rates of interest for relatively small loans.
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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..
by Yan Bibiyan inthen i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?
god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.
at that time how many people could have heard it?
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it's good to look at things with a fresh approach...
The angels that came to Earth could not rid themselves of all of their spiritual attributes that they were created with. They could not alter their internal makeup which is why their children were giants. This is in stark contrast to Jesus, who had a prehuman existence in heaven but was born completely human.
Perhaps this is why God said at Genesis 6:3, "My Spirit will not remain with mankind forever, because they are corrupt. Their days will be 120 years."
By coming down to Earth and mating with women the angels violated God's law of marriage, that a man would leave his father and his mother and he would stick to his wife and become one flesh. In a sense, the materialized angels who married and coupulated with women stole what rightfully belonged to man in the normal course of events.Violating the one flesh standard was unacceptable to God, this is why the human line became contaminated and polluted by Satan's way of thining. Think of it this way. Leviticus 19:19 says "You must not crossbreed two different kinds of your livestock, sow your fields with two kinds of seed, or put on a garment made of two kinds of material." Those angels that came to Earth crossbred two different kinds of flesh; that of the spirit realm and a human which produced the Nephilim. The Mosaic law provided penalties for cross breeding two different spieces. Sexual perversions resulted in the death penalty. The angels left their natural home and came to earth. They were created in God's image and had both male and female attributes but looked upon mankind with curiosity and cultivated a desire from within their mind and figurative heart.
At the time of the flood, the angels that materialized had to revert back to their spiritual form in order to keep living. They gambled that by dematerializing, God would allow them back into the spirit realm, but once you fall from perfection there is no going back in God's eyes, so they were punished.
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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..
by Yan Bibiyan inthen i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?
god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.
at that time how many people could have heard it?
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Billy,
You said:
It's all very simple to understand the literal account of Noah's flood. After angels disobediently come down and married women, God's solution was to destroy all the dinosaurs and most of the humans in a global flood. God's righteousness required that he let the disobedient angels survive... along with 3500 species of mosquitoes.
Satan knew that sinning carried a death sentence, not only for him but Adam and Eve. Since God did not immediately execute anyone, some angels noticed this. After a few centuries when the human population had grown and Satan and Adam and Eve were still living, some angels decided that God was not going to do anything.
What they didn't know was that 1,000 years is but a day to God. Adam did eventually die, at 930 years and so did his wife. They died within the timeframe that God said they would if they ate the forbidden fruit. In God's mind, they were both dead in less than a day.
If God had permitted the angels to go about their way, copulating with women then the entire human line would have been corrupted, thus preventing the birth of the Messiah. God could have simply destroyed the entire human race but he made a way out. After all, Christ was his master worker and he found joy in the creation of humanity.
When the fallen angels materizlied and took on flesh, it did not come under the Adamic line of descent. It was a counterfeit flesh. This spelt doom for the children of these fallen angelic fathers. They had no covenant with God and were considered outcasts in his eyes.The angels that disobeyed God and left their natural home were outcasts. They misused their powers. God did not want them to become human, if he had he would have given them the right to do so. They lowered themselves in stature.
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If We Were to Take the Flood Account Literally..
by Yan Bibiyan inthen i cant help but come to the conclusion that everyone who died (like 99.999% of humanity at the time) was doomed from the start.. if god directed noah to build a flotation device with very specific parameters, god must have known exactly how many people, animal species, plant etc, would be in it.. what if people actually listened to noah and thousands upon thousands turned up waiting to enter the ark?
god must have known that only so many people will listen and obey instructions.. no to mention that noahs message didnt really reach that many people.
at that time how many people could have heard it?
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This is an interesting discussion.
I think the problem is most of you are looking at the ark design from a human perspective. So what if it wasn't big enough for all animal life or wouldn't withstand the water pressure? Don't you think the Creator took that into account? Would it not be impossible for God to reseed the planet with new animal and plant life?
The flood served two purposes - it forced the angels who had sinned to return to heaven and it was a judgement of those on the planet. The demons that returned to heaven were stripped of their powers to materialize as humans. Had they not first dissoved their flesh and blood containers, they would have perished.