Posts by truthseeker

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Where did Jehovah go ?

by Deleteandrestart in

for the many years i was mentally " in " the congregation, i equated the organisation as interchangeable with the persona of jehovah, in effect whatever the organisation said or thought, that was what jehovah thought and that was what jehovah said.... it was that simple.

so when i found out the ttatt and the cynical moves of the organisation over the years,including 1975 , the donation arrangements, the united nations, etc i was devastated and thought " where's jehovah in all of this?".

the god who i'd poured my heart out to on many occasions and who i thought was silently listening and hearing my pleas ..... was not there , .

truthseeker

Deleteandrestart,

I felt exactly the same way. They involve Jehovah so much in our lives that you do think of Jehovah as being your friend. Especially does the book "Draw Close to Jehovah" make this so. And then afterwards you learn JWs are a cult. And then begin the questions, you pour your heart out to God in earnest prayer but he wasn't listening. Why would God allow me to get mixed up in a cult? Where was he when I needed him the most?

After I left the witnesses, I discovered it's OK not to have all the answers because as long as I have the freedom to look for them, I'm fine with that. It does relieve a huge burden for me.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

truthseeker

Something to think about...

Why does it have to be this way, everything going round something else?

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

truthseeker

Before the Big Bang there was "heaven", going by the Genesis account.

"In the beginning, God made the heavens and the Earth."

Where was God when he made the "heavens" and which "heavens" are we talking about?

If heavens meant our material universe, I suspect that the "void" we call outer space, has always existed, because the void is nothingness and you can't create nothing because it is "nothing". It's just empty "space" to put things in.

I'm not sure about a "big crunch" because if the universe is 14 billion years old, it would take 14 billions years at the speed of light for universe to "crunch" because nothing could go faster than the speed of light.

Several years ago, there was a space probe called COBE that detected "ripples" from the after shock of the Big Bang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

Just my 2c

Truthseeker

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Did Freddy Franz receive secret instructions from a Jewish aquaintance?

by truthseeker in

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friends

i recently met a sister who told me she heard of a story that the late president of the watchtower society, mr. freddy franz, received secret instructions on how to direct the organization from a jewish acquaintance.. is this a conspiracy theory or could there be some truth to it?.

truthseeker.

truthseeker

OK, I found an old link..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/207251/whats-going-on-100-henry-street?page=1

"Fred Franz played a big role as the "oracle" of the Society. " But he became a figure head to conceal that the real directing influence of the WT Society was outside of the Society. A big 6'2" Jewish man has gone everywhere with Fred Franz as his guide these last few decades. This man, Natheer Salih, was needed because Fred became blind. However, for many years people at Bethel found that Salih was more like a bodyguard. Indeed, he was more than a bodyguard, for any communication to Franz has been going through Salih, who then returns with the "answer" from Franz. This Jewish man with obvious rich tastes, big expensive rings and watches, has become the President's mouthpiece, and in effect a decision-maker although he isn't part of theGoverning Body.29 Salih was in a position to protect against an old man saying the wrong thing."

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/243241/who-really-faithful-discreet-natheer-salih?page=1

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Did Freddy Franz receive secret instructions from a Jewish aquaintance?

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

i recently met a sister who told me she heard of a story that the late president of the watchtower society, mr. freddy franz, received secret instructions on how to direct the organization from a jewish acquaintance.. is this a conspiracy theory or could there be some truth to it?.

truthseeker.

truthseeker

I know it seems outrageous, but look at all the changes that have happened recently. If I had advance knowledge of all the changes Watchtower made from 2005 onwards and posted it on the forum, I would have been labelled a conspiracy theorist. We seem to accept all the weird changes in stride now, because we're so used to them changing things.

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Did Freddy Franz receive secret instructions from a Jewish aquaintance?

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

i recently met a sister who told me she heard of a story that the late president of the watchtower society, mr. freddy franz, received secret instructions on how to direct the organization from a jewish acquaintance.. is this a conspiracy theory or could there be some truth to it?.

truthseeker.

truthseeker

That's why I posted the topic.

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Did Freddy Franz receive secret instructions from a Jewish aquaintance?

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

i recently met a sister who told me she heard of a story that the late president of the watchtower society, mr. freddy franz, received secret instructions on how to direct the organization from a jewish acquaintance.. is this a conspiracy theory or could there be some truth to it?.

truthseeker.

truthseeker

I recently met a sister who told me she heard of a story that the late President of the Watchtower Society, Mr. Freddy Franz, received secret instructions on how to direct the organization from a Jewish acquaintance.

Is this a conspiracy theory or could there be some truth to it?

Truthseeker

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Anyone attended the Bognor Regis, UK congregation?

by truthseeker in

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it had the reputation of being the coldest congregation on earth.

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i remember one visiting speaker who had lunch in tescos instead of being placed with a host by the elder responsible for hospitality..

truthseeker

It had the reputation of being the coldest congregation on Earth.

I remember one visiting speaker who had lunch in Tescos instead of being placed with a host by the elder responsible for hospitality.

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ex-jw-uk

by bigmac in

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i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

i've already found several by reading older posts..

truthseeker

I grew up in West Sussex. Somewhere between Chichester and Littlehampton.

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Facing mortality after leaving the witnesses

by truthseeker in

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tell me i'm not overly thinking this.. i'm 39 years old...still youngish...but i worry about getting old.

i look in the mirror and it depresses me.

i suppose i still cling to watchtower utopia when no one would age over 25.. i used to look forward to paradise earth because it meant all the evil in the world, nuclear warfare, terrorist attacks and sickos would be no more, but we are deep in the 21st century with no end in sight.. appreciate your comments.

truthseeker

Mickey mouse

i agree. I'm older than the elders were when I was a kid in the 1980s and 1990s. And the elders are mor or less retired. And so the cycle goes except I broke the cycle and left.

Freeandclear, let's have that party.

I miss the certainty that my hope was based on, and knowing even if I died I could get a resurrection.