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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

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  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  truthseeker

  Cofty,

  I am aware of your evolution posts but never had the time to properly go through them all. I think I will start at your first post and comment as I see fit.

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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  truthseeker

  Let's fantasize for a bit how my theory could work.

  Man is at the threshold of landing on Mars and one day terraforming it. Let's say in 2,000 years Mars has been terraformed by humans and species brought over from Earth.

  There probably has to be some genetic tinkering just to get the creatures to breathe Mars' atmosphere. In time, intelligent life 'evolves' either through the relaxation of genetic inhibitors or assisted evolution. Then humans die off.

  Millions of years later intelligent Martian life, whatever it's physique, starts posting on forums like this asking where did they come from.

  Which is precisely what we are doing now. We want to know how did we get here. And we're arguing over evolution and Jesus and Adam and Eve.
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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  truthseeker

  If these evolutionary forces are blind and unintelligent then the whole theory of this process needs to be reconsidered. From the humble tribolite living in ancient lakes to a man building rocket ships. There's no way I can accept blind and unintelligent forces that somehow come together to make something intelligent. Ironically, this is the same reasoning used with creationists.

  I'm going for a break and I'll be back to check for updates.
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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  Jp, going by the video you posted I see nothing but improvement. Certainly not blind and unintelligent. The actor starts off with a fish and ends up with himself. If that's not improvement what is?
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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  truthseeker

  Thank you for the video. I found it informative. For this to be true scientists should at least be able to find a mechanism in the DNA to start subtle changes. I can't accept this at face value because the inter-species jump even over millions of years is too implausible. I think that each species has a built in inhibitor that prevents chimera reproduction even if different species try to mate outside their genetic profile. Plus there are still fish swimming in the ocean and every tin of tuna I eat could be me eating my ancestral descendants. 😁
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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  JP, would you be open to the idea of willful genetic manipulation of prehistoric humans? That could be thought of as an assisted evolution. Scientists are doing this now by experimenting with chimeras. The only thing that stops them are term limits on the use of embryos.

  Evolution is not just about change for the sake of change but the whole concept of evolution is an improvement over it's genetic predecessor. And if a species wants improvement to survive it does indicate the possibility of some sort of primeval intelligence. That's why cancer is not evolution; it's cells gone wrong, but a fish out of water and growing legs is an improvement were there evidence for this.
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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  truthseeker

  Not first human as you're thinking but an improvement over prehistoric humans. As for where Neanderthals came from I don't have an answer.
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  Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

  just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

  it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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  truthseeker

  Cofty,

  I identify with Christianity. With that being said, I believe each species reproduces according to its kind. That's not me being a fundie. I have never seen a cat give birth to a dog or a monkey to a human.

  I'm agreeable with macro evolution to an extent. But for their to be subtle changes over millions of years would require some 'intelligence' on the part of an organism. You don't just grow a pair of eyes because you crawled out of a cave. Macro evolution allows for variation, even hybrids - but hybrids don't reproduce so any interspecies births die at that generation.

  Now onto another subject and you can chuckle if you will.

  I believe man was already on this planet but as a Neanderthal. Modern humans are not designed to survive this planet's harsh conditions without shelter and clothes. Prehistoric man had more hair to protect the skin from cold weather.

  I've done a lot of research and it's theory that I state. I feel that off-worlders came to this planet, saw prehistoric humans and that is when they said 'let us make man in our image and our likeness.' Prehistoric man's genetic DNA was altered to reflect the 'image and likeness' of those planetary masters.

  Yes, I've been reading the works of Zechariah Sitchin.

  It's possible that the story of Adam and Eve (being the first modern humans) could have a grain of truth to it. I'm not talking about the snake in the garden but the start of modern humans. And Cain married one of the prehistoric females instead of his sister. And there were enough people on the Earth (Neanderthals and a handful of modern humans) for Cain to build a city.

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  Greenlees & Chitty -- Some Sources

  by AlanF in

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  posted on an email message board:.

  posted on an email message board:.

  posted recently to the h2o message board:.

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  truthseeker

  Reading this 16 year old thread jogged a memory I had talking with a brother from Croydon who told me a prominent brother in the London bethel had been reproved due to alcoholism and now worked as a gardener in the Bethel grounds. Could this have been Chitty? I quote from Alan F's first post in this thread where he says: " Likely this contributed to his being dismissed from Brooklyn and reassigned to the London Bethel a few years later. There he worked at an assignment of little responsibility"

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  Most Popular Boys Name in England?

  by cofty in

  1. social
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  anybody want to guess?

  for some years the office for national statistics tried to hide the answer by counting different spellings as different names.

  it no longer matters.

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  truthseeker

  It's true that not all Muslims are terrorists. However, their cultural and religious belief system will never willingly integrate with Westerners and our European values.

  While European birth rates decline, Muslim birthrates will always be higher and Westerners will be a minority in a few short decades.