Posts by starScream

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Saved from What?

by A Paduan in

there's an understanding that is known by many people in various faiths the world over - and presented in scripture - to do with enlightenment - salvation.

even as many jws have read - salvation is to know god - realising goodness - trust in the universe - as buddhists would say, "it's ok" - the salvation of your soul, from judgement, condemnation - mean spiritedness separates a soul from the comfort of knowing / understanding everthing is ok - the fear that comes in guilt - as christ said, "i do not judge you - my word will be judge", that there is unkindness is witnessed and true - and it is in knowing that reality which brings your guilt, and for some a turning to delusive ways to dispell the fear - darkness.

you are a child of the universe, god, adventure.

starScream

Satan,

'Paul, and later the catholic church put a stop to the deeper meaning of being 'sons of god'.

which is what?

'It would have put the new 'christian' movement out of business, at least in it's organised form with controlling heirarchies.'

Paul was a killer of Christians until he became one. He lived his life in poverty and died in a Roman Prison. Hierarchies were not established until several centuries had passed and then it was by the Roman emperor, someone who was ALREADY in absolute power.

Jesus apparently realised he was a son of god.

why is that apparent?

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Are JW kids really better that Christendom's or even the world's?

by starScream in

i dont mean to put down my cousin but if she and her boyfriend (now husband) have been loyal jws all their lives why is it that he was arrested for cocaine posession, (he was actually trafficking while a jw!!!!

)she got knocked up by him, and then they got married by a judge instead of an elder.

do these sound like jw kids or do they sound like the real jw kids that you dont see on the poster or cover of awake.

starScream

I dont mean to put down my cousin but if she and her boyfriend (now husband) have been loyal JWs all their lives why is it that he was arrested for cocaine posession, (he was actually TRAFFICKING while a JW!!!!)she got knocked up by him, and then they got married by a JUDGE instead of an elder. Do these sound like JW kids or do they sound like the real JW kids that you dont see on the Poster or cover of Awake.

So lets recap, my cousin, the fornicator, got pregnant out of wedlock to a cocaine user/trafficker and then got married, secretly, by a worldly official, to him to cover up of the fornications. These are Jehovah's Witnesses folks. Her father BTW is almost the top elder at the congregation.

Im sick of the hypocrisy of the Watchtower. They act like they are so much better when they aren't any less sinful. Not one of them is perfect. And many times their kids are worse than kids without any religous upbringing.

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Churchology 101 please!

by happysunshine in

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What does the WT fear the most?

by Gerard in

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i think it is wmi: weapons of mass instruction, such as the internet.

starScream

the internet was the first thing that popped into my head.

But think about it, before the internet the only source available for information on JWs is JWs. Now that almost everyone in the civilized world has an ISP the JWs are left with only the most backward countries and, sad to say, black and mexican ghettos to find a steady stream of dupes. Of course there is always plenty of pickins down at pope land. But as minorities get wealthier and more of them get www access then even they will grow immune to the watchtower propaganda.

The internet is the perfect enemy. People are curious. Im sure the next round of mass JW exodus is just around the corner.

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JUDGEMENT DAY

by RR in

the society has condemned just about everyone to second death, especially those who have been jusged in the past by jehovah [adam, sodom, flood victims, etc.

what do you friends say, does the society have an argument?

are those judged in the past to stay judged and dead?.

starScream

rev 20:6 Happy is the first resurrection.

Rev. 20:5

the rest of the dead came to life at the end of a thousand years.

Rev 20:13

... and they were judged individually according to their works!

will works save anyone? man is damned by the law. Jesus did not die in vain. Righteousness is by faith, death is by merrit.

All will get what they have earned, except for those under grace. They will not get what they have earned.

Anyone who was not a Jew in the OT will find themselves being judged like anyone who was not a Christian after the death of Christ. Don't worry if you get what you deserve it was because you weren't a Christian or OT Hebrew.

And no, there are not some ppl who will not be resurrected. It says all of the dead will be resurrected. Some will be resurrected unto life and the rest unto Judgement.

No one will pass through judgement unto life, unless they were perfect.

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what where you looking for from the JWS

by stephenw20 in

i cant say i sought the jws out.

i had little choice , as my parents did the seeking, i hold them harmless, they did not investigate it beyond the wtbts pubs.. i did however at a point go it on my own, did the water dipping ore 1985 , so i feel, no allegiance to a group i vowed nothing to.. there was a point maybe 2 or 3 months when i felt i had a realtionship with god during my stint with the jws.

unfortuanately for me i lumped , god and them together and dismissed both together for a long time.. my question though to all here is this.

starScream

Outnfree,

I myself am an xjw and a practicing Lutheran, LCMS

Why do you have a problem with the Trinity?

You cannot believe that Jesus is God?

Do you believe the bible?

As an xjw and Christian apologist I can testify that + Jesus is God, The Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God. I can testify That God is Holy. Jesus said no one is good but God alone. If God accepts a lower form of holiness without justice, he is a liar and calls himself a liar. God cannot lie nor can he cooperate with iniquity which is why sinners are on the road that leads to the place "God prepared for the devil and his angels."

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Who Who's a JW?

by WorldsEyeView in

hi guys...

i was wondering who in here is a jw and who's not??

i thought everyone was, but from some of the stuff i have read people aren't.

starScream

oh sorry, didnt notice you are worldseyeview, heh

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Who Who's a JW?

by WorldsEyeView in

hi guys...

i was wondering who in here is a jw and who's not??

i thought everyone was, but from some of the stuff i have read people aren't.

starScream

Megan, are you a JW?

I was a JW but now Im not. Im not a JW because in order to be a real JW you must deny Christ. And if you deny Christ you cannot have Christ, the only thing worth living for.

I asked myself the other day if I would, given the chance, exchange eternal communion with Christ for being the emperor of my own wetdreamworld. As I thought about it for a few seconds I realized that would be hell. Rather ironic, I thought, since to the JW salvation is to be a peon in their own kingdom hall of a world, which to me is a level below the hell I imagined. Then I realized how ironic it would be if JWs ended up getting the very hell they created. Of course it could be far worse, they may have to just sit around reading those infernal watchtower and awakes for all eternity **shivers at the thought**.

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Why did you get out of JW?

by WorldsEyeView in

why did all of you guys get out?.

i have a friend who is a jw, and i don't think she is right at all.

do you guys have any convincing arguments on why jw is wrong?

starScream

I was in the b-ORG all my life. I left because i had more questions than answers and asking questions was not encouraged. In particular, during one book study I kept reading past the scripture that was looked up and ended up reading the rest of the book. The first time I ever just read the bible unmotivated, I ended up very confused because It was totally different than what we were studying and saying.

We were at the time going through the Revelation-climax book. I read the last few chapters of revelation and was just shocked. I remember feeling this hot wave go across my body, like fear. I remember that I was thinking to myself that the watchtower teaching on this subject, the second resurrection, is WRONG!!!

I could no longer rely on a second resurrection for salvation as a matter of fact I started to question whether I could rely on the watchtower. Unless I lived up to THE perfect standard of rightousness I was lost. I knew that it was impossible to be perfect. I tried many times to be perfect but was always aware that I was a sinner. I had no hope. So I stopped carring. That is why I left. I realized that working for the love of God was pointless.

Eventually I stopped carring whether or not god existed then denied it outright.

When I saw the light, Jesus ripped my heart to pieces. I never knew Jesus in the Watchtower. I hated jesus in the watchtower. Jesus was boring. Jesus was just another reminder of how I was lost because I couldn't be perfect. I don't think I ever cracked the Greatest man that ever lived, book. I didn't want to hear about Jesus, that would make me puke.

Jesus is so amazing to me I can't even describe it. It not so much him claiming to be God that blows me away but the way he does it! Then the fact that he is God opens up a whole other world of amazement.

I hate how the watchtower systematically denies Christ. All her crimes are trivial when compared to that one. They spend so much time and energy subverting the simple truth of Christ. Oh man I can't wait FOR JUDGEMENT DAY, AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAh, I hope Judgement Day lasts a billion years. I tell you I will be holding up that trinity broshure for much of THAT day.

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Dubbies!

by SYN in

dubbies

written by [syn] it aint funny, it true!,

28 february, 2003

starScream

that was crude but it was funny.