does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.
our view of time has changed over the centuries.
for the longest time,.
wiltshire,
Does "Time" have very small increments that can be divided no further than say 10 to the -43 power seconds? Is time in these small increments what makes allowable the spooky action of subatomic particle that quantum physicist tells us happens?
I have wondered that myself but I also apply it to space. What is the smallest distance you can travel? Im sure it is in someway dependant on time.
does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.
our view of time has changed over the centuries.
for the longest time,.
If God does not exist outside of time then God is not God, God would merely a sideffect of the big bang.
None of which is true.
If you define God as the all powerful creator of everything then you have already placed him outside of time and not bound by relativity, thermodynamics or time.
if "time" is running backwards i dont see how that we would ever know, perhaps some clever physicist could devise an experiment to find out for sure.. some theoreticians have suggested the reason the arrow of time runs from past to future is tied intimately to the expansion of space.
since einstein special theory of relativity we have come to see that "time", space and speed are all relative.
we now more correctly speak of "space-time" instead of just space.
bikerchic,
The purpose of physicists is to baffle everybody with their jargon thinking that it will make them sound intelligent.
you are so right.
but, I would have to agree with the latest model of a Universe in Accelerating Expansion. I think it has been conclusively proven.
I don't think that anti-gravity in 'dark energy' is a likely theory though, at least not as a remnant of the big-bang or dead stars. there is a lot of empty space beyond the galaxies, perhaps an infinite amount. If space has any properties beyond its dimensions I wouldn't be surprised if that were the reason for the accelerating force. If anti gravity existed within the galaxies on that vast of a scale then they would simply fly to pieces. I think there could be an anti gravity source at the center of the universe but more likely I think that space itself is expanding and pulling the galaxies with it, or that space itself has gravitational properties and the infinite amount beyond the galaxies is drawing them out to the void.
there's an understanding that is known by many people in various faiths the world over - and presented in scripture - to do with enlightenment - salvation.
even as many jws have read - salvation is to know god - realising goodness - trust in the universe - as buddhists would say, "it's ok" - the salvation of your soul, from judgement, condemnation - mean spiritedness separates a soul from the comfort of knowing / understanding everthing is ok - the fear that comes in guilt - as christ said, "i do not judge you - my word will be judge", that there is unkindness is witnessed and true - and it is in knowing that reality which brings your guilt, and for some a turning to delusive ways to dispell the fear - darkness.
you are a child of the universe, god, adventure.
Funkyderek,
Yes. Followers of Osiris used to symbolically eat his flesh in the form of wheat cakes ("the plant of truth") in order to become "a son of God".
God cast the demons into Tartarus, -Paul. Zeus cast the Titans into Tartarus, -Greek Mythology that everyone was aware of when Paul wrote it.
Passover: Jewish observation of the Angel of Death passing over the doorsteps with the blood. Consumption of unfermented bread and wine.
Last supper: the new passover of the Judgement of God passing over the blood of Christ on the believer.
just another example of the contrast of a carnal OT and a spiritual NT. another example
OT, A copper snake was suspended on a pole and the onlookers who believed were healed of their snake bites that afflicted their bodies.
NT, Christ was hung on a cross and the onlookers who believe are healed of the penalty for the sin on their souls.
Believe and be saved.
saved from what?
eternal separtion from God and the punishment for sin.
salvation is intrinsic if you are perfect.
there's an understanding that is known by many people in various faiths the world over - and presented in scripture - to do with enlightenment - salvation.
even as many jws have read - salvation is to know god - realising goodness - trust in the universe - as buddhists would say, "it's ok" - the salvation of your soul, from judgement, condemnation - mean spiritedness separates a soul from the comfort of knowing / understanding everthing is ok - the fear that comes in guilt - as christ said, "i do not judge you - my word will be judge", that there is unkindness is witnessed and true - and it is in knowing that reality which brings your guilt, and for some a turning to delusive ways to dispell the fear - darkness.
you are a child of the universe, god, adventure.
Satan,
'Paul, and later the catholic church put a stop to the deeper meaning of being 'sons of god'.
which is what?
'It would have put the new 'christian' movement out of business, at least in it's organised form with controlling heirarchies.'
Paul was a killer of Christians until he became one. He lived his life in poverty and died in a Roman Prison. Hierarchies were not established until several centuries had passed and then it was by the Roman emperor, someone who was ALREADY in absolute power.
Jesus apparently realised he was a son of god.
why is that apparent?
i dont mean to put down my cousin but if she and her boyfriend (now husband) have been loyal jws all their lives why is it that he was arrested for cocaine posession, (he was actually trafficking while a jw!!!!
)she got knocked up by him, and then they got married by a judge instead of an elder.
do these sound like jw kids or do they sound like the real jw kids that you dont see on the poster or cover of awake.
I dont mean to put down my cousin but if she and her boyfriend (now husband) have been loyal JWs all their lives why is it that he was arrested for cocaine posession, (he was actually TRAFFICKING while a JW!!!!)she got knocked up by him, and then they got married by a JUDGE instead of an elder. Do these sound like JW kids or do they sound like the real JW kids that you dont see on the Poster or cover of Awake.
So lets recap, my cousin, the fornicator, got pregnant out of wedlock to a cocaine user/trafficker and then got married, secretly, by a worldly official, to him to cover up of the fornications. These are Jehovah's Witnesses folks. Her father BTW is almost the top elder at the congregation.
Im sick of the hypocrisy of the Watchtower. They act like they are so much better when they aren't any less sinful. Not one of them is perfect. And many times their kids are worse than kids without any religous upbringing.
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i think it is wmi: weapons of mass instruction, such as the internet.
the internet was the first thing that popped into my head.
But think about it, before the internet the only source available for information on JWs is JWs. Now that almost everyone in the civilized world has an ISP the JWs are left with only the most backward countries and, sad to say, black and mexican ghettos to find a steady stream of dupes. Of course there is always plenty of pickins down at pope land. But as minorities get wealthier and more of them get www access then even they will grow immune to the watchtower propaganda.
The internet is the perfect enemy. People are curious. Im sure the next round of mass JW exodus is just around the corner.
the society has condemned just about everyone to second death, especially those who have been jusged in the past by jehovah [adam, sodom, flood victims, etc.
what do you friends say, does the society have an argument?
are those judged in the past to stay judged and dead?.
rev 20:6 Happy is the first resurrection.
Rev. 20:5
the rest of the dead came to life at the end of a thousand years.
Rev 20:13
... and they were judged individually according to their works!
will works save anyone? man is damned by the law. Jesus did not die in vain. Righteousness is by faith, death is by merrit.
All will get what they have earned, except for those under grace. They will not get what they have earned.
Anyone who was not a Jew in the OT will find themselves being judged like anyone who was not a Christian after the death of Christ. Don't worry if you get what you deserve it was because you weren't a Christian or OT Hebrew.
And no, there are not some ppl who will not be resurrected. It says all of the dead will be resurrected. Some will be resurrected unto life and the rest unto Judgement.
No one will pass through judgement unto life, unless they were perfect.
i cant say i sought the jws out.
i had little choice , as my parents did the seeking, i hold them harmless, they did not investigate it beyond the wtbts pubs.. i did however at a point go it on my own, did the water dipping ore 1985 , so i feel, no allegiance to a group i vowed nothing to.. there was a point maybe 2 or 3 months when i felt i had a realtionship with god during my stint with the jws.
unfortuanately for me i lumped , god and them together and dismissed both together for a long time.. my question though to all here is this.
Outnfree,
I myself am an xjw and a practicing Lutheran, LCMS
Why do you have a problem with the Trinity?
You cannot believe that Jesus is God?
Do you believe the bible?
As an xjw and Christian apologist I can testify that + Jesus is God, The Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God. I can testify That God is Holy. Jesus said no one is good but God alone. If God accepts a lower form of holiness without justice, he is a liar and calls himself a liar. God cannot lie nor can he cooperate with iniquity which is why sinners are on the road that leads to the place "God prepared for the devil and his angels."
