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Bible verses removed from NWT at jw.org
by hardtobeme inwhy would they remove bible verses from the bible?.
anyone knows why?.
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My JW friend turned down the "privilege" of working the literature table at the park. Why?
by MissFit ini have written before about my jw friend that plays hookie with me on sundays.
we skip the meeting and go straight to lunch and margaritas.
she converted later in life and has been a jw for over 25 years.. she is in her late 70's and has had heart problems.
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@ Designs, Apparently some do need to be told. Just look how folks treat one another...some folks are just good & some folks aren't. Some folks grown up in family where being good wasn't taught. I agree a book shouldn't have to tell you to be good, if you live by the golden rule, but some interpret that to mean do do unto others as they would do unto you....so if someone steps on their foot, they think the golden rule means...step back on their foot. I tend to think many of the witnesses were not raised a certain way...something was lacking in their family structure....if we have to be constantly reminded to be good....that speaks volumes. I know I was raised a certain way, so the literature is immature to me. I sit there at the meetings & say to myself, wow, they don't know this....so I tend to zone out. I have alot of comments but they would be more condeming than helpful. So maybe some do need a book to act good....a thought, you don't have to teach a child to lie but you have to teach them not to.
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My JW friend turned down the "privilege" of working the literature table at the park. Why?
by MissFit ini have written before about my jw friend that plays hookie with me on sundays.
we skip the meeting and go straight to lunch and margaritas.
she converted later in life and has been a jw for over 25 years.. she is in her late 70's and has had heart problems.
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Hi,
It's called suppression. If you have to swallow all this info. from the org. your body will turn on you. I go out in service & you have to hear all the ailments. We talk more about what's ailing us then scriptures. No one will admit it, but they are seeing TTATT, but don't want to blow their cover so they ...SUPPRESS... I do, but I also come on this site to UN-SUPPRESS...You see the truth lead me to the TRUTH. If you can navigate your way through all the WT propoganda, you'll see the truth. The Bible is all about life lessons, how to treat your fellow man...do not think too much of yourself, be bold yet humble enough that even something as simple as standing on line & you have alot of groceries & the person behind only has a few items, what's the harm in letting them go before you, giving up your seat on public transportation, giving your umbrella to someone in the rain, especially if you are close to home, not thinking selfishly, not thinking the world revolves around you, money will not buy happiness, it will provide comfort, but that's all & it may extend your life a little longer because you can afford the doctors, but when it's your time....it's your time. The bible helps one to live an unselfish life & not take advantage of people. Don't take man's doctrines too seriously....Man picks the bible apart. If I had to some up the bible...it's BE READY & BE GOOD..
Thank goodness for web-sites like these, it lets one know, they are not the only ones who see & hear things that are not true..if ones are ok with being at the hall, web-sites help those who are in, not to think they are crazy. You can go to any place of worship & raise an eyebrow....Man can't even direct his own steps....so why listen to him.
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Bible verses removed from NWT at jw.org
by hardtobeme inwhy would they remove bible verses from the bible?.
anyone knows why?.
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HI,
I noticed it yesterday. I thought I had to re-boot my computer. I was doing my WT for Sunday went to JW.org. saw chapters but no verses. Guess it's some type of glitch....Wonder if anyone has called HDQ, to let them know. OR...maybe they are going to re-arrange the verses...too bad we can't print the entire bible as it is now & then compare when they DO fix the glitch....Maybe they'll say when one clicks on JW.org...SITE UNDERCONSTRUCTION...
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My JW friend turned down the "privilege" of working the literature table at the park. Why?
by MissFit ini have written before about my jw friend that plays hookie with me on sundays.
we skip the meeting and go straight to lunch and margaritas.
she converted later in life and has been a jw for over 25 years.. she is in her late 70's and has had heart problems.
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@ Simon Morley,
Because God told them to....that is so true, so many other religions stood around in train station, outside, wherever. Now they doing the same thing. I think they hate other religions so much, they did all they could not to be like them...but in the long run, they are the very folks the hate. So door to door isn't effective anymore ??????
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My JW friend turned down the "privilege" of working the literature table at the park. Why?
by MissFit ini have written before about my jw friend that plays hookie with me on sundays.
we skip the meeting and go straight to lunch and margaritas.
she converted later in life and has been a jw for over 25 years.. she is in her late 70's and has had heart problems.
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Hi All,
but meekly toe the line at the Hall and never concede that the Borg may, just may, be wrong .....It's not about that the borg is right or wrong, it's not the flip flopping of the doctrine...it's none of the stuff w all talk about...it's God's organization...no more no less. That is their badge of honor. That's it in a nutshell..whatever you say to them...well, it is the Truth & God's organization but the friends are imperfect. Think about that answer, they defend it because they think it's God's mouthpiece.....Everybody wants to know God personally & say, God told me this or that....Every religion wants to be right. What scares them, is this....THIS JUST MAY NOT BE HIS ORGANIZATION....then they will pass out...Even if one day, they decide to believe in the Trinity....the friends would say well, I don't know but, if the FDS says so, then it must be so. But in their minds they'll say, "What the heck"?...Elite is the mind-set of most witnesses. I live in a certain area, low income but then their are those that are not. You should hear how the friends talk about folks less fortunate, & get this...they live in the same area, but turn their nose up. It's a certain attitude they have...that they feel they are better than everyone that isn't a witness. Kudos to your friend who can see past her nose. Yet, when they give comments it's always about being humble & that's the last thing they are is humble. Most of them try to walk around looking lowly...poor me...they think having low self-esteem is the same as humble. Or even being shy, I don't buy it. That's just for show...most of them not all are mean spirited & yet, when they comment, it's all syrupy.
So all that to say....It's not anything that blows up a witness skirt more then them thinking they belong to God's only organization...Period. But as they say....GOD IS NOT PARTIAL ONLY WHEN HE CHOOSES HIS MOUTHPIECE...
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The Internet Proves JWs Are a Joke Now
by jw07 ini'm a born in, born in the 1980s and old enough to remember studying beefy (albeit full of crap) material like the the evolution book and revelation book (which we studied over and over and over and over).
books and brochures were wordy and chock full of legalistic language explaining away teachings and policies, some explanations slightly above the iq of the average person.. watchtower studies were longer (30 paragraphs sometimes), talks were longer and thus meetings were longer, pioneering was harder (70 hours if i remember correctly), assemblies and conventions were longer, and there were intricate food provisions to feed thousands of people (for a cost of course).. the average jw could recite watchtower propaganda for hours to indoctrinate others or defend their faith.
jws were interested in having meaty discussions at the door and challenging even pastors on doctrinal points.. i know this has been said many times, but the organization has gone through a massive dumbing down.. i can't figure out if it's due to the oblivious nature of the current governing body, a premeditated attempt by them at dumbing down the organization, or just the effects of life becoming easier around the globe due to reliance on technology.. i can only speak on my era, and i know that from the early 90s until around 2004 the organization was allot more doctrine savy.. over the past decade or so i'd say the collective iq of the followers has moved from 105 to 85.. indoctrination and blind belief has allot to do with being prone to be emotionally manipulated, but thinking ability has a say in that too.. social media is a decent gauge of how and what the average person within a certain demographic is thinking, and doing a simple hashtag search on twitter, instagram, or facebook reveals allot about how the current generation of young jws (15-28 or thereabout) are thinking.. many have become self obsessed, internet obsessed, hubris filled and passive, i can see an even bigger decline in growth over the next 5 years.. take a look:.
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@RJHarris.....
So true....Do you think the bible reflects the true God & his son Jesus Christ ? & That it is man that has distaughted the real truth. I agree, no one has the absolute Truth..I think if you find Christ, & imitate him...which Jesus is all about Love...Love God & Love your Neighbor. I think that pretty much covers it & have a repentent heart....We see David, he commited sin, killed & committed adultery....but God forgave him...& thru the line of David, viola Jesus. If God killed David because of his sins...We wouldn't be reading Psalms today.
The WT Society is just another organization, who want to control the minds of folks & say, if you follow me, you'll live forever....I want so much to believe in the resurrection, & I really do, but all I know is God/Jesus is not partial, so if I don't swallow all the kool-aide the the org. pours, like the criminal next to Jesus when he was killed....I/We just might have a chance...To me that's the meat & potatoes of the Bible...where Jesus said, Today, or Today I will see you in Paradise (with or without the coma). God/Jesus, have unconditional love...Man....NOT..
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The Internet Proves JWs Are a Joke Now
by jw07 ini'm a born in, born in the 1980s and old enough to remember studying beefy (albeit full of crap) material like the the evolution book and revelation book (which we studied over and over and over and over).
books and brochures were wordy and chock full of legalistic language explaining away teachings and policies, some explanations slightly above the iq of the average person.. watchtower studies were longer (30 paragraphs sometimes), talks were longer and thus meetings were longer, pioneering was harder (70 hours if i remember correctly), assemblies and conventions were longer, and there were intricate food provisions to feed thousands of people (for a cost of course).. the average jw could recite watchtower propaganda for hours to indoctrinate others or defend their faith.
jws were interested in having meaty discussions at the door and challenging even pastors on doctrinal points.. i know this has been said many times, but the organization has gone through a massive dumbing down.. i can't figure out if it's due to the oblivious nature of the current governing body, a premeditated attempt by them at dumbing down the organization, or just the effects of life becoming easier around the globe due to reliance on technology.. i can only speak on my era, and i know that from the early 90s until around 2004 the organization was allot more doctrine savy.. over the past decade or so i'd say the collective iq of the followers has moved from 105 to 85.. indoctrination and blind belief has allot to do with being prone to be emotionally manipulated, but thinking ability has a say in that too.. social media is a decent gauge of how and what the average person within a certain demographic is thinking, and doing a simple hashtag search on twitter, instagram, or facebook reveals allot about how the current generation of young jws (15-28 or thereabout) are thinking.. many have become self obsessed, internet obsessed, hubris filled and passive, i can see an even bigger decline in growth over the next 5 years.. take a look:.
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Hi,
I haven't been in the truth for a long time. I have heard former witnesses say how much the literature has dumbed down. It can be many reasons, one could be they meeting more & more foreigners in their area, & many of the witnesses may also be illiterate. We are living in a dumb down society, this generation is a piont & click generation. They have no common sense, yet they give you Duh look if you can't navigate your Iphone, but they can't even remember where they left their keys. Even older adults have decided not to use their brains, why should they, the computer thinks for them. Another thought is that for years, it's all been about doctrine, so they went door to door with THE SO-CALLED TRUTH, but the problem was & still is the delivery. I have heard that the average witness was very stern & if you don't take this message, then too bad for you. If you look at the study WT, it's all about how we deliver the message, do we view folks as Jehovah does, The Golden Rule, Patience, Love, listen to the householder. I think the study wt's are attitude adjustments. I've heard some friends say, back in the day, when a person opened the door, they would put their foot in the door to continue their presentation. I think the society is trying to adjust how the JW's view folks that are not JW's. The average JW, has a pride problem, they have the truth but others don't. The society is breaking that type of spirit or trying to anyway. It's hard for me to sit through these meetings, because I learned about love God & my neighbors from my parents. They taught me how to treat people, how to be polite & think of others, & never think you are better than anyone, yes different but not better. In a nutshell, to have morals. So it's not that they WT's are dumbing down but actually teaching the congregation ....TO BE NICE....so yes it seems like it's elementary, & it is, because many of them either didn't learn, not taught, or don't remember how to LOVE...They have run out of doctrine, they have shot their load on that ....now it's all about ...OK, we taught you the doctrine, now we are going to tell you how to behave, because you didn't listen to your parents, so see Jehovah/Org. has to show & tell you.
I wondering how this Internet of the JW's will play out...will more learn TTATT...or have they shot themselves in the foot for folks to go to JW.org & then compare other sites & other religions...some may even research the history of JW's to see what they are about, it may be in their favor maybe not. Folks are bombarded with internet sites...time will only tell...
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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?
by NoMoreHustle ini had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
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@ DD,
I don't think making love to a woman or vise versa is defilement....The bible said it...so now we know how God/Jesus & man think of sex. I think that word defilement was put in there by man...not inspired by God at all. As a matter of fact God said, be fruitful & fill the earth...& he knows exactly how that is done. Sex....
But what I do think, again, if this is all true...that if Jesus has his own government, he doesn't want any man in there that will be tempted by man or woman...I still think they are going to be enunchs. That's the safest way to go....
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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?
by NoMoreHustle ini had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
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Hi,
Because women will not be a part of the 144,000, that is why. The Org. just wanted to show they were not partial...All sorts will be a part of the 144,000...NOT...Rev. says it clear & concise...Rev. 14: These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. So if women are a part of 144,000 did they not defile themselves with women/men. If it's true that they were not defiled by women, that should either let us know, they are all men, almost like eunuchs....they cannot be tempted by any human...male or female.
I think they shot themselves in the foot again...
But that is an interesting point....if they are annointed, why can't handle the mic & other priviledges.....speak at conventions & assemblies, all the stuff males can do.
I like this point...now I have to figure out, how to say something to a sister or brother....but it'll go over their head, just like other stuff..
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