you forgot to mention Kosovo. What the Turks could never quite accomplish, NATO and the KLA acccomplished in a few months, driving out Christian Serbs who'd been there since centuries in place of a new muslim homeland. Muslims around the world should be bowing down to Clinton for that little goodie he threw them.
gitasatsangha
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Islam's Hour of Judgement
by metatron incountries, governments, and social systems all can encounter a special time of judgement - a unique moment in history.
when they must face reality and survive - or wither away as another of humanity's dead ends.. the muslim world has entered such a time.
they must progress or face a destruction of their own making.. i'm shocked at how few people actually appreciate the danger that 9-11 exposed.
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Islam's Hour of Judgement
by metatron incountries, governments, and social systems all can encounter a special time of judgement - a unique moment in history.
when they must face reality and survive - or wither away as another of humanity's dead ends.. the muslim world has entered such a time.
they must progress or face a destruction of their own making.. i'm shocked at how few people actually appreciate the danger that 9-11 exposed.
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gitasatsangha
The islamic world is a bit more complicated then people in the west would like to believe. Yes economics has a great deal to do with it, as do the imams and other religious leaders who are determined to stop the loss of their culture at any price. European and American culture is expansionist in nature (by its own historical roots) and tends to infect like a virus. Thus we have Japanese businessmen wearing Italian designer suits, and children in Botswanna learning remedial english. Even China, after one last ill-fated attempt to stave off westernism, has become another member of the club.
With the muslim world, you have really the last great non-Western culture still pretty much intact. And it's a force to be reckoned with for now for several reasons. One is the sheer land area it covers. Another is its relative unity under crisis. Still another is common language. Arabic is the lingua franca there, and though this might seem a simple matter, it actually has a great deal to do with holding a culture together. For instance, do seperatists in Quebec want to leave Canada because they exclusively like the Expos? It's langauge. Another thing is belief. Belief will be there, when there is no food on the table and no other method of hope. These are not a people used to the idea of empowerment. I have stated elsewhere, there is no record at all EVER of an Arabic democracy. Turkey is not Arab, so it doesnt count. :-) . Oil will be a prime factor until it's all gone. Honestly were there no oil, the Muslim world would be the ignored backwater that it was in the turn of the last century. And once the oil is gone (and hopefully we've figured something else out), it might well become a backwater again, except for perhaps areas like Malaysia. That won't stop fanatacism, of course, as czar already mentioned.
In the future the pivotal points of Islam will be places like Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, and Iran. Key nations that have the ability to be highly influential to the rest of the islamic world. Or maybe Nostrodamous is right and some dude in a blue turban is abuot to start world war III. :-)
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What do you think of Baha'i Faith?
by Eyebrow2 injust a little curious....i had gone to one of the websites i found by searching baha'i faith online.. i found a site that wrote on 9/12/01 saying:.
the destruction of the trade towers and the attack on the pentagon and its related events should be considered a terrible warning for the safety, security and salvation of humankind.. the second international baha'i council condemns the use of terrorism and violence as a means of change, but we have tried to warn the people of new york for years of these coming disasters, accurately predicting on national television the first act of terrorism against the trade towers in february of 1993. these acts of horrific destruction are only the beginning if the governments and peoples of the world do not submit to the authority of god and his messengers and their clear and evident proofs.. what is up with that???
i know nothing really about it so i figured i would pose the question on this board: is this religion a bit fanatical?
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gitasatsangha
I looked into Bahai at one point, and I can honestly say every Bahai I met was a well educated, thoughtful person. They stress education, equality and peace. And in a large amount, they practise what they "preach", although I think they are too restrictive about some things (just as a former Witness). You might not believe that Baha'Ullah is a messenger of god, but one thing that is difficult to deny is the fact they they do actually live it, rather then just believe it.
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A Christian community falters
by blondie inhttp://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/137/metro/a_christian_community_falters+.shtml
a christian community falters
loss of leader, governing body hurts group formed in boston
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gitasatsangha
if only it were Brooklyn and not Boston
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Did You Feel Bad About How YOU Treated Disfellowshipped Ones?
by minimus inbeing an elder, i could talk to df's ones to see how they're doing.
the wt.
tells the rank and file that those disfellowsipped are as "dead" in jehovah's eyes.
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yes
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The Matrix Vs. The Watchtower. Similarities? Differences?
by NaruNaruChan inso here's my spin.
obviously, as apostates we're like the people of zion in the matrix... all of us have been extracted from the "matrix" of the watchtower cult.
neo is like jesus, obviously, as he's "the one" people put hope in and the people in zion who don't believe in jesus are like apostates who left the religion but don't believe anymore.
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gitasatsangha
The Matrix seems more like the Vedantic concept of "Maya".
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Israelite tabernacle and temples....of pagan origin?
by Alana ini believe that it was the history channel that i was watching this weekend....it was about egypt--land of the gods.
in it is talked about the ancient gods of egypt and the elaborate egyptian temples.
then, it spoke of how when the israelites left egypt how they at first had their movable tabernacle and then their temples and how the set-up of them with the courtyards and the holy and most holy places were based upon the pharoahic worship and temples of the egyptians.
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Bebu,
I will restrict this to the India question. Yes there are Hindu fanatics, just as there are Muslim and Christian fanatics. Mostly that is RSS fascism.But I will say this.. Christian Fundamentalists caused the RSS to form as a back reaction to Hinduism. Yes the caste system is awful, and is perverted from what it was in vedic tiems. But this has nothing to do with what missionaries do. Making it sound like a bunch of criminal Brahmins keeping thousands of poor dalits from Christ is ignorance of the facts. The fact is that Hinduism is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, even though it has no proselytizers. You ignore (or are ignorant of) modern Hinduism movments like Ramakrishna Mission, Arya Samaj, and others. Vedic and Vedantic thought influences New Age, NeoPaganism, and many other movments. Whereas the whole idea of Christian missionaries is a Victorian era throwback and an embarassment. RSS thugs are scary and mindless, but they don't go to america knocking on your door to read the Ramayana. I am giving this viewpoint from an american with connetions to the Ramakrishna Movement and to the Gita Society, so my viewpoint, while not objective, i think can honestly be said to be taken from an interesting angle. Jai Ma.
Most of the thousands of hindus that convert do it for whatever token is handed out, and then do the JW equivalent of fading out. They are not stupid. They are starving. They know that if a conversion is not in the heart, it is meaningless. And so the missionaries keep on digging holes in the sand with the tide coming in, thinking they've moved mountains. ?
Christian missionaries are only in countries because they believe their religion is better, and conversely, that the local's religion is worse. Only extreme blind arrogance can go into that. Missionaries believe that if Hindus (or Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, aboriginals, whatever) do not convert they will go to hell. So whether they try to blend into the local customs or not, the fact is they are there to cause a MAJOR disruption to the local culture due to their Christian arrogance.
YERUSALYM: if a Muslim preyed upon poor Christians and tried to convert them, yes I would think thats wrong. In retrospect I think selling the watchtower was just as wrong. (And I stopped going out in service years before my DA because of that conviction) I happen to believe killing is wrong.
I never said they should be killed, I only said It would not make me sad. Religious fanatics try to "kill" another's faith. If they are killed in the body, they were playing with fire to begin with.
The return volley to scripture quoting Christian missionaries:
"We have been told, O Krishna, that people whose family traditions are destroyed necessarily dwell in hell for a long time."( Bhagavad Gita: 1.44)
If you try to actively change another's faith, you are a fanatic.
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Israelite tabernacle and temples....of pagan origin?
by Alana ini believe that it was the history channel that i was watching this weekend....it was about egypt--land of the gods.
in it is talked about the ancient gods of egypt and the elaborate egyptian temples.
then, it spoke of how when the israelites left egypt how they at first had their movable tabernacle and then their temples and how the set-up of them with the courtyards and the holy and most holy places were based upon the pharoahic worship and temples of the egyptians.
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BTW, in Christian missions, as opposed to JW missions, the missionary looks for the truths and concepts that are already there in the culture.
Or offer food and money for the locals to change their religion. There's a reason missionaries are killed in places like India and the Congo. No one likes them. Christian missionaries are fundamentally no different then JWs in that regard. The main aim of missionaries is to change people's religion. If not, then why not let the locals abide by the truths and concepts that are already there in the culture. They may have a helluva lot more truth and concepts in one pinky then the missionary has in that entire archaic book he quotes from.
Hearing about missionaries kicked our or killed never makes me sad. It's chickens coming home to roost, to misquote another nonchristian
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129 Passangers Sucked from Plane
by Francois indid any of you see this story in the london times, i believe it was?
a russian-built cargo plane was taking zimbabweian army troups along with their families to a new location.
there was a catastrophic failure in the pressurization system which blew off the two giant cargo doors in the back of the plane creating a gigantic vacuum which sucked out every passanger on board, 129 people, at 7,000 feet - about a mile and a quarter up over congo i think it was.. this story made my skin crawl.. francois
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gitasatsangha
it could happen to our famlies or friends
not unless they fly around in unregulated old Antonov cargo planes.
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world's first inflatable church
by greven inworld's first inflatable church has yeserday opened it's doors.
it features an inflatable organ, a preaching chai made of pvc, an altar filled with air and fake glass and lead windows.
it's fourteen meters high, and sezen meters across.
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gitasatsangha
I like it. I have this urge to fill one up with helium and watch it soar gracefully over town.