Posts by friendaroonie

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

2 SURVEY QUESTIONS

by Terry in

please answer this question thoughtfully.. question #1:.

if there were no holy book in existence--what would you or anybody else know about god and how would you know it?.

question #2:.

friendaroonie

1:: nothing

2: no difference. We would have only our eyes ears and nose and sense of logic perhaps to draw conclusions badef on nature. We would, like all animals, use the scientific method to gain knowledge.

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

friendaroonie

Geeze, this is the biggest waste of time. It reminds me of coming up with names for a band and spending so much time doing that that the band breaks up before they play their first gig.

There will always be people who miss the point and get hung up on the name of / a thing before one makes some significant acheivements. Frankly I like the name. I am not one of those detractors who put down every try at activism but never have any good ideas of their own. I put my time and money , consider this my official offer to do just about anything no matter what the name is. I admire what they are doing. Let all you lazy do-nothing, down in the mouth do-noyhings put down every effort. Just dont forget to turn in your field service time once they get through bashing it. I really do yhink some here work for yhe wt to discourage those of us who have the courage to act.

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Women are NOT allowed in the faithful & discreet slave class!!!

by bytheirworks in

if the "faithful & discreet slave" are no longer the 144,000 but only 8 men... isn't this a huge stepback for jw women's rights?.

friendaroonie

She's not wearing underwear...

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New JW Bible nickname

by JWOP in

i had a face to face conversation with an active jw today.

i was informed that they congregations don't like the new bible being referred to as the "gray bible", so some are starting to refer to it as the silver sword.. .

friendaroonie

Plus you have to be drinking lots of Grey Goose brand gin for it to start making sense.

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New JW Bible nickname

by JWOP in

i had a face to face conversation with an active jw today.

i was informed that they congregations don't like the new bible being referred to as the "gray bible", so some are starting to refer to it as the silver sword.. .

friendaroonie

The loose grey goose cuz its loosely translated.

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HELP I have until next Wednesday

by KariOtt in

jw
friends

i have an oppertuinity to try ttatt on an elders wife who is a pioneer who showed up today.

she is willing to meet me one on one to discuss how pedofiles are protected, the blood issue, the flip flpos, how they teach theocratical warfare and hate.

i agreed to only use watchtower and awake publications.

friendaroonie

Then again maybe I should read the whole thread before I post.

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HELP I have until next Wednesday

by KariOtt in

jw
friends

i have an oppertuinity to try ttatt on an elders wife who is a pioneer who showed up today.

she is willing to meet me one on one to discuss how pedofiles are protected, the blood issue, the flip flpos, how they teach theocratical warfare and hate.

i agreed to only use watchtower and awake publications.

friendaroonie

Im going to vote for the ones who say caution in this case. Meeting with a pioneer who has not herself been plagued with doubts or shown an interest in criticizing the wt is s sure way to get dfd. Everything you say can and will be held against you in a judivial hearing. It might even be a full on trap for all you know. Be careful. Remember there is no such thing as a jw friend. They are all loyalists, company men until proven otherwise.

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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

by Watchtower-Free in

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.

ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.

london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.

friendaroonie

Adam, I might be speaking on a plane that is higher than what you were expecting from me for whatever reason.

My understsnding of language and semantics comes from my college degree in language and literacy which includes socio linguistics and semantics. The nature of language and meaning are such that they eere never supposed to replace reality as a multidimensoonal experience. Language is first an audial exprrience, a grunt, a howl, a clicking ofthe tongue in reaction to an event or an object. Also language became a means of recounting events and story telling. And eventually, it came to be written down in codes and visual signs and representations. I know you probably know all this but im jusr trying to fill you in on where im coming from.

Language is a linear experience and chromological. One word comes after the other. Realityy, at leasr MY reality is going and coming in evrry dirrction all at once. There are sounds, sights, feelings, impressions, smells, memories of the pasr relating to and pulling the present in different ways and all those things go into and affect how one tells the story. Also added to these factors are beliefs, preconceived notions, prejudice, bias, ignorance or knowledge, the limitations of language... endless influential factors. Then there is the metsphysical-the reality in its pure form before a conscious being regidters its ecistence and has time to label it with a grunt and a symbol. As a buddhist once said, by the time you can put something into words you,ve ready missed the point. The purpose of many meditation rituals is to acheive the state of conciousneds where you experience reality , being , on a level or at the point where lsnguage and even thought itself has not yet been applied to the thing, the reality. Truly living in the now. It has been said that since "then" happened, "now" isn't. And you can only affirm this ttruth if you have experienced reality and being on this level, and I have.

So consdering the former, ee walk away with a situstion like the following:

1. Reality is multidirectional, dynamic and vivid in a way that language cannot compete with

2- language is linear, too slow snd in every way insufficient to keep up with and truly capture reality

3- language comes from a single perspective, that of the story teller whereas reality may be viewed from an infinite number of angles , each one yielding a slightly different story or rrport on an event or object

4- there is bias in every story ever told no matter how hard we try.

5- the fact that we are not god all knowing and uall seeing means we cant even verify the perspective of another person cuz it will still just be our perspective on their perspective,right?

6- with all these drawbacks even to an imaginary perfect language, our own perfection assures that every story ever told is rife with error snd we cant even provide what the scientific method requires and that is a control.

7- therefore all language is to a certain unverifiable degree fiction

8- even video and audio recordings do not settle what is the whole truth and what is a lie. Your example of 9/11 wss perfect to illustrate my point because we have nothing close to a voncensus on what acyually happened thst day. There might be some details that can be established and some conclusions drawn bbut the interpretation of those events are all over the map.

9- at the end of the day, the best ee can do inwriting history, yhe definition of history being written accounts of realiyy or oyherwisee told accounts of events.

10- the more different ways of telling a story (words, writing, interpretive dance, pictures, all forms of art, video and audio recordings,, fragrance ays, music, sculpture...) the closer ee can come to knkwing the whole picture of what happened. Relying judt on words is very limited and fslls short.

If you are familiar with post modernist thought there is shades of its philosophy in what I am ssying.

So, do you still think it is absurd to say there is no such yhing as a hidyorical fsct. True there might be some hyperbole in this phrase (obviously, right?) But I would tend to think it is just as absurd to sssume that a history text book is capable of telling the whole story.

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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

by Watchtower-Free in

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.

ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.

london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.

friendaroonie

His comments are about your comments not about you. Seriously. He may nlt have eloquent or scholarly in his critique of your comments and perhaps a bit dismissive bug it does not qualify as an zd hominem attack. Some of your comments however may actually qualify. But im not going to go back and forth wiyh you. I ckuld be arong after all. Now your turn. YOU say, "I, Tammy, could be totally wrong nlt just about God but about everything." If you say that ill have respect for you and maybe read your posts in the future. But if cant say that Ill probably join that other dude and just roll my eyes right past your posts because Ialready know what your forgone conclusions wkll end up saying, right?