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Quick Poll - How many are...

by mrhhome in

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how many here are (a) ex-jw, (b) non-jw with jw relatives or spouses, (c) inactive jw, or (d) active jw who stay in for your own reasons?.

Daniel1555

Officially active for family reasons (might change), on the inside ex

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Question: In what cases is a transfusion of whole blood or the 4 wt prohibited components the only lifesaving solution?

by Daniel1555 in

dear friends,.

my mother in law said, that bloodless medicine works in all situations.. .

i don't have a lot of medical experience.

Daniel1555

Thank you so much Scully and TD for your detailed and very helpful answers. Rawe thank you for your personal experience.

I told my mother in law that I would never let my child die (of course also not my wife and myself).She was shocked about my "apostate" view (every other mother in law would be that I care for them even though religous pressure). She told me if I pray incessantly to Jehovah about it, he will not let my child come into such a life and death situation. Hearing this I was perplex about how naive she is.

Scully, I agree with you. It also makes me feel very angry how WT is treating women. A few years ago I mentioned that to my wife, that sisters should be treated equally like brothers. Her reaction. WT does it the perfect way and I shouldn't mention such ideas. Strange, because most JWs are women.

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Question: In what cases is a transfusion of whole blood or the 4 wt prohibited components the only lifesaving solution?

by Daniel1555 in

dear friends,.

my mother in law said, that bloodless medicine works in all situations.. .

i don't have a lot of medical experience.

Daniel1555

Nonjwspouse: thank you for your explanations. I know the reasons why blood transfusions are not against bible scripture. I know the unlogic things of the blood doctrin and I believe that this put a lot of bloodguilt on the organisation. I am waiting for a good moment to talk about it to my very zealous wife and to inform her about my conscience decision that I would allow blood in a life threatening situation, especially also for our baby boy. I just recently had this discussion with my mother in law who said I should show her a situation where the wt society admits that only blood would have saved the life.

Scully: Thanks so much for your answer. I think that there might be situations during birth or c-section where a transfusion is absolutely lifesaving (as there are a lot of sisters who died during childbirth (at least some cases in the media).

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Question: In what cases is a transfusion of whole blood or the 4 wt prohibited components the only lifesaving solution?

by Daniel1555 in

dear friends,.

my mother in law said, that bloodless medicine works in all situations.. .

i don't have a lot of medical experience.

Daniel1555

Dear friends,

My mother in law said, that bloodless medicine works in all situations.

I don't have a lot of medical experience. Could you tell me, in which situations a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets or plasma is absolutely necessary to save the life? (I guess massive bloodloss, leukaemia and much more)

Are there some quotes from the wt society that they admit, that sometimes a blood transfusion would be absolutely to save the life?

Thank you so much for your answer.

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Effect of family life (me, wife and young boy) if I am df / da and wife zealous jw

by Daniel1555 in

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i have a question and hope to hear some experiences of you who went or are going through this situation:.

actually for several reasons (blood policy, disfellowshipping policy and some more) my conscience is telling me quite strongly, that i should not anymore be a part of that organization.. my wife and even elders know about my doubts (except blood policy).

however i continue to join the meetings actually just to please my wife and to be together with our baby boy.

Daniel1555

And I forgot, Later I will private some of you.

You were so kind to give me such a moral support.

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Effect of family life (me, wife and young boy) if I am df / da and wife zealous jw

by Daniel1555 in

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i have a question and hope to hear some experiences of you who went or are going through this situation:.

actually for several reasons (blood policy, disfellowshipping policy and some more) my conscience is telling me quite strongly, that i should not anymore be a part of that organization.. my wife and even elders know about my doubts (except blood policy).

however i continue to join the meetings actually just to please my wife and to be together with our baby boy.

Daniel1555

Dear friends,

You give me a lot of things to think about.

Inside I am not bound anymore by the Watchtower beliefs. Over the last couple of years I studied a lot about different topics and kind of built "my own belief (I believe in a Creator who made everything in a wonderful way but probably through evolution, pacifiscm and human rights, respect nature and other people, beliefs).

I didn't talk to my wife about these things to influence her, but I told her about my belief. First I thought she respected my change of belief. But that year she became colder and colder and a distance started to develop. As I asked what I have to do, that we can be closer, she said that I have to change my beliefs and feelings (to be watchtower conform again). I told her, that I can not just betray my conscience and that it is important to respect each others beliefs.

Now today (I have my parents in law at our home), my mother in law just talked to me about how unhappy my wife is because of me not being the spiritual head of the family. She said if I don't want to loose my wife, I should change and become spiritual (to watchtower doctrine) again. I am spiritual, just in another way.

I told her about different reasons why I lost confidence in the organisation. We discussed the blood issue and I showed her logical points, and I asked how I would have to react, if the doctors say our baby need a transfusion. Her answer was. "Just like the organisation is saying." But the organisation has different rules in different countries (my wife is from germany and I am from switzerland). I showed her reasons, why the bible does not speak against a blood transfusion and showed her some inconsistencys about the fractions.

Probably I told my mother in law too much.

But anyway I have to discuss with my wife about the blood issue and how we react if our little boy is in an emergency. Here another "blood card" needs to be filled out and my wife takes it seriously (to have copies and so on).

The thing is. I cannot lie to my wife.

We will see how it continues. I try hard to spend a lot of time with her and our little boy and to be a good father and husband.

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Effect of family life (me, wife and young boy) if I am df / da and wife zealous jw

by Daniel1555 in

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friends

i have a question and hope to hear some experiences of you who went or are going through this situation:.

actually for several reasons (blood policy, disfellowshipping policy and some more) my conscience is telling me quite strongly, that i should not anymore be a part of that organization.. my wife and even elders know about my doubts (except blood policy).

however i continue to join the meetings actually just to please my wife and to be together with our baby boy.

Daniel1555

Well, do you think my boy would suffer if i am da?

Our only friends are witness families with little kids? If i am da, then we couldn't spend time with them as a family. My wife and my boy could, but not if I am there too.

So whenever they want to spend time with them, I have to go away or do something else.

Did you experience situations like this? Was your child suffering?

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Effect of family life (me, wife and young boy) if I am df / da and wife zealous jw

by Daniel1555 in

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friends

i have a question and hope to hear some experiences of you who went or are going through this situation:.

actually for several reasons (blood policy, disfellowshipping policy and some more) my conscience is telling me quite strongly, that i should not anymore be a part of that organization.. my wife and even elders know about my doubts (except blood policy).

however i continue to join the meetings actually just to please my wife and to be together with our baby boy.

Daniel1555

Hello

I have a question and hope to hear some experiences of you who went or are going through this situation:

Actually for several reasons (blood policy, disfellowshipping policy and some more) my conscience is telling me quite strongly, that I should not anymore be a part of that organization.

My wife and even elders know about my doubts (except blood policy). However I continue to join the meetings actually just to please my wife and to be together with our baby boy. Maybe once a month I join them in field service. It is though very hard to do that, as my conscience is affected by these unloving policies and I feel for sure that God is not behind this organisation.

Thats why my question:

What would be the consequences on family life if I disassociate myself?

Are there some of you who went through the same process?

Thanks for your answers

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has shunning been downplayed?

by chickpea in

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several times over the course of a year or so, jws from the kh i attended have been downright chatty during happenstance crossing of paths... .

wth is up with that?

i have no grudges against any of them, but it is confusing as all get out to have left the cult as an ardent supporter of my out, open, front page headlining transgender son, becoming vocally and decidely apostate knowing i was dead to them... now after at least a half decade out, to have them chummy-ing up to me in a check-out line.... frankly, i would rather they look the other way, you know, if none of them would ever genuinely want to know how my son is doing.

Daniel1555

I am still in, and I can tell you. Shunning has not been downplayed.

The society has turned even stricter about shunning. In several articles over the last years they have written that we should even shun family members, having not the slightest communication and not even by E-mail.

I was an elder, and especially shunning (among other doubts) led me to step down as an elder.

It shows me, that God is not behind the Warchtower organisation. Recently I spoke to one elder about this unloving and unbiblical shunning. I told him, that it can lead to great depression and suicide. The only thing he could tell me was: Discipline always hurts.

I told myself in my heart: I would never shun someone anymore. If I meet a df person somewhere I would normally talk to him. Recently I opened the doir at the Kingdom Hall to a df person. I greeted him normally.

Not to do that is in my opinion against several human rights articles.

Maybe the ones you met had similar feelings.

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Diseases transmitted through Watchtower approved blood fractions?

by Daniel1555 in

i am sure you know the answer.. .

is it possible that hiv, hepathitis and other diseases could be transmitted by watchtower approved blood fractions?.

if yes, by which fraction?.

Daniel1555

Well, thank you very much for your answers. I will study your information, marvin.

I am just gathering some facts for discussion with my wife one day.