with all of the bat-shit crazy propaganda of late, i'm considering talking to my wife about the cult.
we have had zero religious discussions for two years.
the last discussion ended with ,"you have no beliefs, no personal beliefs, because you change your "beliefs" when the wtbts writes an article.
Hey DD
Very good idea, that you'll text your daughter that you 'll never shun her. Tell her too, that you'll always be there for her, if she needs to talk, and won't let her go unanswered.
Maybe you can tell your wife the same. That you will always be there for your daughter, and that you find that video really shocking and that it offended and hurt you deeply. Mention that you would also never shun her (your wife).
our families have cut off contact with us for the last several months.
they found out that we were celebrating holidays with our non-witness family.
our families were our last tie to the organization, as our former friends stopped associating with us about 3 years ago.
Awesome letter!!
...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.
bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.
he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.
One good thing.
I discovered the music of "audiomachine."
I just loved the song. "Eternal flame" from the album "epica" of audiomachine.
They produced music for movie trailers and movies like Harry Potter, The Hobbit, the Hunger Games and many more.
Hmmmm Harry Potter ;-) isn't that the young wizard those "Muggle" Jehovahs Witnesses were advised not to watch.
I guess now all the JWs will think the organisation composed this great song.
I wanna see their faces when they see the picture of the album "epica."
...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.
bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.
he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.
It's a propaganda video for this ideology of a paradise earth.
We all want to enjoy life without pollution in a beautiful countryside, with peace and together with the people we love.
We all have lost loved ones who died. Especially the death of a child is something terribly sad.
Now you see this all portrayed with the climax of the resurrected boy hugging his father.
This video is professionally made and could be a trailer for a hollywood movie. The film music is quite good and all together very emotional.
And that's the dangerous thing.
They know exactly how to influence the emotions of the viewers. And they do it professionally.
Be loyal to us, and you'll be like the people in the video.
it looks like i'm going to have to take the watchtower study for a while so i thought i'd seek help.. i wont be outing myself or stating anything too controversial, but so far i have come up with the following tactics : 1) ask questions which will get people thinking even if it is about something insignificant - developing a questioning mind is the key to discovering ttat as far as i am concerned.
2) highlight any extreme points so that some might realise they are extreme.
3) highlight any good points - helping others in need for example - just because it is the right thing to do.. if anyone has any general comments which could help, please post them here.
Just say "I am sorry, but no, I won't take the WT study."
Be persistent. If they want an answer you can tell them that it is because of personal reasons.
Will this be shown at the friday afternoon talk about shunning?
Just breathtaking, that the mother ignores the call of her sad and lonely daughter, and that they portray it like that.
I guess a lot of JWs will think that these parents are not loving. If some of them continue the thought, that in fact it is the org who is teaching this, they might wake up.
hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.
i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.
that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .
Hi Raven
I was df'd last year.
I have the same loving relationship to my parents as before. They will never shun me and I eat with them every week. I just don't discuss much about religious topics with them.
Although I did many things not to get df'd, getting disfellowshipped was good for my life.
Now I am completely free, free to live a good and morally fine life.
I lost all my JW friends, but I am slowly making new friends who won't just throw me away.
I feel for you and wish you all the best. Focus on the good things in your life. Be especially loving and respectful to your mum, so she also should accept and respect your life decisions.
If she intends to shun you, you could ask her if she would shun her grandchild if you would get pregnant.
i'm new here and haven't introduced myself yet, but have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and learned so much!
quick first question: if i get disfellowshipped for researching info on websites other than jw.org (the official website), how can i expect to be treated by my husband still in the truth?
ie what will he be told by the elders about how to treat me?
Just a brainstorm idea:
Why don't you try some volunteering for a good cause?
By doing that you might find some new friends and your husband sees, that you do something positive for others / community / environment, instead of knocking on doors.
i'm new here and haven't introduced myself yet, but have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and learned so much!
quick first question: if i get disfellowshipped for researching info on websites other than jw.org (the official website), how can i expect to be treated by my husband still in the truth?
ie what will he be told by the elders about how to treat me?
Welcome there is hope.
Looking at websites other than jw.org or even apostate websites is not a disfellowshipping offense.
If they find it out you will be counselled though.
But remember. The elders don't have any authority over you.
If you'll be disfellowshipped for other reasons your husband will be advised to stay with you. Only adultery is an official divorce reason for them.
They would maybe tell him that he shouldn't invite other jws if you are around.
zalkin proposing huge sanctions if jw leadership fails to produce documents.
unredacted this time!
feds need to get involved with this.
sp74bb
That article is from 14. April 16 and not the news we are waiting for.
It's a good overview of what happened till 14. April.
What interests me is what happened next, if they can make Watchtower produce those documents and what happens if they don't comply.
