I am confused because all I heard growing up was that we will never know when the day comes. I never ever heard anyone saying that we will not grow old. I do know that quite a few people who are now in (around) their 70s and up used to think thought they wouldn't grow old in "this system", but this was kind of talked about as something they had misunderstood and so they would actually grow old in this system. I do live in Norway, maybe things are a little different here? I know they are all supposed to believe the same thing, but..
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Watching from the outside - and a question at the end if TL;DR
by unfamiliar ini grew up in a jw family.
i was the youngest, and i never really felt like my questions were answered in a satisfying way, so i kind of gradually faded and i was thankfully never baptized (hooray for me).
i kept going to family study time until i was about 27 (!
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unfamiliar
I'm just going to reply to everyone at once, haha. Well!
I am confused because all I heard growing up was that we will never know when the day comes. I never ever heard anyone saying that we will not grow old. I do know that quite a few people who are now in (around) their 70s and up used to think thought they wouldn't grow old in "this system", but this was kind of talked about as something they had misunderstood and so they would actually grow old in this system. I do live in Norway, maybe things are a little different here? I know they are all supposed to believe the same thing, but.. -
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It's Too Late to Return to Jehovah!
by naazira inyes friends it is too late for most of you to return to jehovah's org.
based on the new garlic bread parable in this month's broadcast with the illustration using loaves of bread.
it is obvious that the doors of the arc has been closed shut by jehovah's hand for some of us.. according to the new parable that can be found on jw tv.
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Can anyone point me to where I can specifically find this one video? I am looking at the tv site but not sure where it is located. -
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Watching from the outside - and a question at the end if TL;DR
by unfamiliar ini grew up in a jw family.
i was the youngest, and i never really felt like my questions were answered in a satisfying way, so i kind of gradually faded and i was thankfully never baptized (hooray for me).
i kept going to family study time until i was about 27 (!
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I grew up in a jw family. I was the youngest, and I never really felt like my questions were answered in a satisfying way, so i kind of gradually faded and I was thankfully never baptized (hooray for me). I kept going to family study time until i was about 27 (! my dad loved these things) but at this point I stopped, and I told my family that I didn't believe in the same as them. My dad is a controlling alcoholic, my mum brainwashed in general, my sister believes this stuff, but my brother doesn't quite. He was baptized so he is trying to fade without it being noticed, and my family doesn't really know except me.
I have quite a few friends" on facebook from my childhood and growing up, and it is strange for me today to see this all from the outside. Posts that say stuff that is just blatantly not true, ignoring facts and just generally being very gullible and not researching things they post (not just religious things but everything else, this is true for a lot of them and it's weird to me how they are getting to be in their 30s (my age group) and up to their 70s and still as gullible and living in their own world).
So, QUESTION! The other day two of these women both posted a video of an elderly couple, the old lady had alzheimers and the old man was taking care of his wife and being adorable. A lovely thing to see. But underneath one of the women commented that yes, even if that was lovely, "the sad truth was that once the alzheimer sets in properly, it'll all be so sad" followed up by a shocking (to me) "I am so glad we don't have to grow old in this world before the new world comes!". The other woman agreed and said something along the lines of "yes, aren't we lucky, I can't wait, hope it comes tomorrow <3"
Okay, so what the... Is this the thing now? Do they think people in their 30's won't grow old and that the new world will be here before that? Really? I am so confused. Is this a common belief now with the JW? -
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Who benefits from the money they receive?
by unfamiliar ini keep seeing people on here (and other places) talk about the wbts making money .
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sorry if it should be obvious!.
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I keep seeing people on here (and other places) talk about the wbts making money and that they have loads of it. Who benefits financially from the money the wbts gets? The GB? Who?
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Wouldn't it just makes sense for GOD to...
by confusedandalone injust one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
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wasblind: this can be explained without the presence of a God. so, no.
just one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???____SosoconfusedWould the birth of of child be miracle enough ? or the sun rise ?
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Happiness/unhappiness
by lostinthought ini was told by a family member the other day "if you want to leave jehovah, go ahead.
but don't think you'll ever be happy.
all the people i know who have left got burned by the world and they come back to the truth".
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Sounds like something my dad would say... because he doesn't know better.
I could never be happy PRETENDING to believe something! I'm much happier outside of jw, even if it's all new and big and scary. I told my family only a few days ago, I feel so FREE! I honestly don't want to behave the way they tell you to just so I can live with my family in what I call prison. I'd rather be out "in the world" and happy! There is so much beauty here I never knew existed...
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My story... how do I deal with my family from here?
by unfamiliar innice to "meet" you all :).
i have been reading this forum for maybe a month now, and it has helped me answer alot of questions that i have had, and i must say i am extremely glad i found this forum, so full of information!.
i'll tell my story, i'll try to keep it short.. i grew up with my whole family being jw.
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"I am afraid my dad will KEEP spending every minute I am there telling me things like "oh look at that beautiful butterfly, isn't it amazing what Jehovah designed?""
Response: "Yes, and isn't it amazing the way Jehovah designed female mosquitoes to eat blood? And not just one species of mosquitoes, there are 3500 discovered unique species. And such a loving design by Jehovah for these mosquitoes to spread deadly diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus. Annually, mosquitoes transmit disease to more that 700 million people, that's nearly 100 people infected for every JW publisher. Since West Nile virus was discovered in 1937, scientists say that it evolved from some other virus. However, Bible teachings would require us to believe that Jesus has been creating diseases like WNv and HIV since he was enthrowned in 1914. Mosquiteos truly are an amazing creation of Jehovah, telling us so very much about his personality." Hahha, Billy the Ex-Bethelite, good one, I'll use that if he decides to go there, but you know... he'll probably reply that god works in mysterious ways! You can never win with him.
Thank you all for so much good information, kind words and welcomes! Now I have some new websites to visit besides here as well! :)
Oh and I live in Norway, so us sites for people who want to meet won't really help, but I actually found that ONE friend I have besides my boyfriend through a "find new friends" website. Lol!
... oh and I even ordered a TTATT bracelet...
....and one more interesting thing. I did a "what religion fits you best" test. Out of 27, jehovah's witnesses was nr. 27 with 0% surprise, surprise. -
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My story... how do I deal with my family from here?
by unfamiliar innice to "meet" you all :).
i have been reading this forum for maybe a month now, and it has helped me answer alot of questions that i have had, and i must say i am extremely glad i found this forum, so full of information!.
i'll tell my story, i'll try to keep it short.. i grew up with my whole family being jw.
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unfamiliar
Hi everyone!
Nice to "meet" you all :)
I have been reading this forum for maybe a month now, and it has helped me answer alot of questions that I have had, and I must say I am extremely glad I found this forum, so full of information!
I'll tell my story, I'll try to keep it short.
I grew up with my whole family being jw. My mum, dad, brother and his wife, sister, grandparents, all baptized. I am now 28 and I never have been baptized myself
I was never convinced it was the truth, if you forget about being a kid and just accepting everything your parents tell you. Later I became afraid to ask questions. When I did ask questions, the answers never satisfied me (even tho sometimes i made myself think they did in a way), and I never KEPT asking when I wasn't happy with the answers because I knew they had nothing new to add, that was it. I also knew they'd be bothered by it if I didn't accept it as the truth. So basically I have just "pretended" to accept things. My dad has held weekly bible studies with my mum, sister and me even tho I have lived away from home for 10 years. I actually thought that was normal up to a point, so I just kept doing it.
My dad is a very manipulative man. Not only when it comes to his beliefs but also other things. He doesn't come off that way to others, as far as I know. People often comment on how wonderful a man he is. Truth is he has been an alcoholic for over fourty years now (drinking only at night) and him and my mum has successfully hid this from me all these years. This is now something they're dealing with and he seems to be changing a bit, also being more accepting. I bring this up because we had a family day and they read a letter for my dad (i wasn't there, but my mum, bro and sis were) that I had written. I wrote what I thought about him, things that made me angry etc., and I needed to also tell him in a small sentence that I basically didn't want him to force his religion on me, but said in a slightly nicer way. I thought this was going to do the trick, but later i realized nobody really reacted to that part of the letter (as far as I could tell because nobody said anything about it) so I felt like I needed to say it even more directly and detailed in a separate letter...
So... I wrote a short letter and explained. I said the truth, that I don't believe what he and my family believes, and that I don't believe in the same god as he does. I only said that I believe there might be some higher power. I told him I do not wish to try to change their beliefs or opinions, and I don't want to discuss things with him because of that.
I said this to him while he was still in rehab, and he listened patiently on the phone to what I had written down and just accepted and agreed that "of course, no problem" and so on. I texted the "letter" to my closest family too, so that I can be open about it. My mum said she was sad about it, but that "we can still do nice things together". My brother sent me a thumbs up and my sis said she loves me regardless. When it comes to my sister, after this happened, she seemed very different than what she wrote in the text. In the text she was all accepting and proud that I said how I felt. But after, she was all weird and quiet and asked things like "but what are you going to do with your life?". I wanted to say "uh, live it?" but i said something like "hmm I think we can talk about those things later" because I am still so early in the process that I want time to think about what to say first. My dad had said to my sister that he accepted it and guessed it was okay, but had given the impression that "I'm sure we can get her back!".
This is my problem. Even though I am very happy I was never baptized and face being disfellowshipped... I still feel outside the family now. This is only a couple of days ago that I did this. But I had to.
I told my mum it wasn't their "fault" that I didn't believe it anymore, that there is nothing they can do to convince me, it's just "how it is". I also told them that they can still talk normally about things with eachother when I am there as long as they keep in mind and RESPECT that I think differently. I won't sit there and debate them, I just want respect. But I don't think that will happen. I am afraid my dad will KEEP spending every minute I am there telling me things like "oh look at that beautiful butterfly, isn't it amazing what Jehovah designed?" or "there's a great new article on *whatever topic*, let me find it for you, here you go".
I want them to respect that I will NEVER believe what they do. I feel that it is as simple as brainwashing. I can't explain it any other way. But I will never tell them that unless they ask directly, because I don't want to change them or take their beliefs away from them. I want them to do the same for me....
Is it possible? Can I have that?
What I know is I don't believe in the bible the way they do (what I believe is something I need to find out on my own), I don't respect their way of treating other people, I don't believe what they teach is right, I am angry with them for letting SO many people and KIDS die because they refuse blood because of 8 random men in Brooklyn! Just a few random things I cannot stand about it.
I have a couple of friends from my childhood (who are jw's) trying to get back in touch with me... but I have been somewhat avoiding it (seen them a couple times but tried not to have too much contact) because I know we won't have much in common... their main interest will always be being a jw. I can't be myself with them and still be friends. I feel bad for not contacting them, and I'd feel it was wrong if I did, also if I did and they ignored me because I said I am not interested in their religion, I'd feel just more depressed than what I already do.
I have only two people in my life now that I can invite to my home that aren't jw. My boyfriend, and a regular friend, she's a bit older than me. It is SO good to talk to my boyfriend about NORMAL things, you have no idea. Up to very recently I was SO closed about my beliefs (i THOUGHT I had to protect the jw's way of thinking, and so I was very defensive and we had many arguments (mine based on ... nothing) about religion, evolution etc.
I opened up to him, and slowly I started thinking "hey, maybe I don't have to pretend I am like a jw for the rest of my life? or... is that illegal?!". I still feel it's illegal, but I do it now. I just bought BOOKS about SCIENCE and EVOLUTION, and stories from ex jw's! It feels so good to be finally free, but I only have one person (soon two) to share it with. That's why I wanted to share it here. But ..I really want and need some input. How do I deal with my family from here? What do I say to make them not try to "get me back"? I just started reading about things, and all I know is that I don't believe what they do, but I am afraid to discuss with them (if they tried to start a discussion, I won't do that out of respect (oh and fear haha) because they always come up with some weird reply that they think eliminates my doubt completely, when it doesn't to me.
Omg btw, I just watched the danish movie Worlds Apart! That last line made me sob so much, it said exactly how I have felt for a while now...
"God Jehovah, this is the last time I'll speak to you. Because I don't believe in you anymore."