Posts by ILoveTTATT

i need help with writing an article regarding vaccinations, organ transplants, and blood transfusions.. i am doing my research using limited amounts of non-wt sources and mostly just the actual wt literature.. what i am having a hard time understanding is:.

most of the articles in the golden age, at least at the beginning of the anti-vaccination stance, are actually written by contributors.

since there are very pro-vaccination articles and then lots of anti-vaccination articles, how can i determine the actual wt viewpoint on vaccinations?.

ILoveTTATT

as they say, "Seek and ye shall find!"

It is interesting that my theory was not too far from the theory of this other article. McMillan did revisionism, it may have been an anachronism on his part, and/or there simply was disagreement between JW's... some followed the viewpoints against vaccination, and some didn't.

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/blood-medical-issues/the-blood-transfusion-taboo-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

" To be sure, this disapproval was never framed in an official doctrine based on biblical articles of faith and promulgated like the ruling on blood, but the practice was vehemently discouraged."

"Besides the perceived dangers of vaccination and inoculation, the markedly cynical writings also breathe of an antagonistic attitude towards the medical profession, the pharmaceutical industry, and, above all, the state as an active agent which compels its citizens to have themselves vaccinated. It is doubtful whether this doctrine enjoyed large support. In one of the first studies of the Witnesses, undertaken in the early 40s, it is noted that the majority of the adherents would accept medical services (13). Also indicative may be the case of the approximately 4300 American Witnesses who were in prison as conscientious objectors during World War II (14). According to Macmillan, member of the Society’s leadership, only a small minority concentrated in one prison refused to submit to the vaccinations compulsory for all inmates. It was only after his intervention convincing them there were no scriptural objections that they complied. Of interest, however, is Macmillan’s argument for the prisoners refusal. In his autobiography (one of the few eulogies on the Jehovah’s Witnesses which have not been published by the Society), he notes "(…) our boys (…) considered [vaccinations] the same as blood transfusions (…)" (15,16). As the doctrine on blood had yet to be promulgated his assertion may exemplify the psychological repression of obsolete doctrines or unpopular policy and subsequent reinterpretation into acceptable and plausible ideological statements; a mechanism not uncommon among Jehovah’s Witnesses and adherents of similar religious groups. In the Society’s own official historiography this particular event has been omitted (17). Furthermore, as noted by Penton, it is not entirely clear whether the aversion against vaccination represented the Society’s viewpoint in general or rather a personal grudge of Woodworth, the editor of Awake! (18). Macmillan’s explanation may therefore reflect the possible disagreement among the Society’s leadership among this specific issue. After 1945 the animosity against vaccinations disappeared from the reading matter, but until the 60s it was still considered an act of pollution of blood and body (19)."

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JWStruggle, I need your permission!

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i need the permission of erick (and i guess those who appear in the videos) to translate and subtitle the videos to spanish.

the spanish exjw's i know think it's revolutionary to record jc's.. .

i want to inspire them, so if you give me your permission, i will go ahead.

ILoveTTATT

Thanks Sam!!

No problem with Erick?

who do I have to ask permission from? Erick and the people on the JC or the people on the JC only?

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JWStruggle, I need your permission!

by ILoveTTATT in

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i need the permission of erick (and i guess those who appear in the videos) to translate and subtitle the videos to spanish.

the spanish exjw's i know think it's revolutionary to record jc's.. .

i want to inspire them, so if you give me your permission, i will go ahead.

ILoveTTATT

Hi,

I need the permission of Erick (and I guess those who appear in the videos) to translate and subtitle the videos to Spanish. The Spanish exJW's I know think it's revolutionary to record JC's.

I want to inspire them, so if you give me your permission, I will go ahead. I would need transcripts, if those are available.

Thanks!!

ILoveTTATT

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Have you used dropbox? Have you had any problems?

by ILoveTTATT in

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there is a certain user to whom i suggested using dropbox, and the user said he had problems with it, that his computer ended up full of game advertisements.. please, to those who have used dropbox before, can you give your honest evaluation of dropbox?.

i am trying to convince this user that i did not suggest to him something that was bad, but actually good... that it helps to share huge files, no matter what their size.. .

please tell this user... i don't want to lose this user's trust.. .

ILoveTTATT

Thank you Baltar. I directed said user to the oficial dropbox website.

www.dropbox.com

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Have you used dropbox? Have you had any problems?

by ILoveTTATT in

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there is a certain user to whom i suggested using dropbox, and the user said he had problems with it, that his computer ended up full of game advertisements.. please, to those who have used dropbox before, can you give your honest evaluation of dropbox?.

i am trying to convince this user that i did not suggest to him something that was bad, but actually good... that it helps to share huge files, no matter what their size.. .

please tell this user... i don't want to lose this user's trust.. .

ILoveTTATT

Thank you! Anyone else?

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Have you used dropbox? Have you had any problems?

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

there is a certain user to whom i suggested using dropbox, and the user said he had problems with it, that his computer ended up full of game advertisements.. please, to those who have used dropbox before, can you give your honest evaluation of dropbox?.

i am trying to convince this user that i did not suggest to him something that was bad, but actually good... that it helps to share huge files, no matter what their size.. .

please tell this user... i don't want to lose this user's trust.. .

ILoveTTATT

There is a certain user to whom I suggested using dropbox, and the user said he had problems with it, that his computer ended up full of game advertisements.

Please, to those who have used dropbox before, can you give your honest evaluation of dropbox?

I am trying to convince this user that I did not suggest to him something that was bad, but actually good... that it helps to share huge files, no matter what their size.

Please tell this user... I don't want to lose this user's trust.

Thanks!

ILTTATT

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Need help from JW History Buffs

by ILoveTTATT in

i need help with writing an article regarding vaccinations, organ transplants, and blood transfusions.. i am doing my research using limited amounts of non-wt sources and mostly just the actual wt literature.. what i am having a hard time understanding is:.

most of the articles in the golden age, at least at the beginning of the anti-vaccination stance, are actually written by contributors.

since there are very pro-vaccination articles and then lots of anti-vaccination articles, how can i determine the actual wt viewpoint on vaccinations?.

ILoveTTATT

Band on the run: I read some of your other posts and it seems like you have a law firm or know a lot about laws. I think even today, New Mexico has one of the strictest laws regarding religious vaccination exemptions. You HAVE to explain an prove why your religious beliefs prevent you from receiving vaccinations. I think, if I am not mistaken, that Alaska was the state that had the specific religions mentioned and was shut down because a case ruled it unconstitutional (the language)... New Mexico's law hasn't been challenged yet.

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Need help from JW History Buffs

by ILoveTTATT in

i need help with writing an article regarding vaccinations, organ transplants, and blood transfusions.. i am doing my research using limited amounts of non-wt sources and mostly just the actual wt literature.. what i am having a hard time understanding is:.

most of the articles in the golden age, at least at the beginning of the anti-vaccination stance, are actually written by contributors.

since there are very pro-vaccination articles and then lots of anti-vaccination articles, how can i determine the actual wt viewpoint on vaccinations?.

ILoveTTATT

Hi Old Goat...

I take it from your other posts, that you are a history professor?

I thank you for your insight and your moderation. I want to get the facts straight.

About your suggestion of learning of the biographies of the Golden Age writers:

Thanks for the suggestion. Would you suggest, then, to study the life of Woodworth and McMillan? What sources can I use to know about their lives?

Do you know of other sources besides "Faith on the March" where McMillan implied/openly said he had his vaccinations?

I beg to differ on one point (which is the source of my confusion):

There was ONE, possibly two articles, making vaccination SCRIPTURALLY wrong (around 1931). The rest of the articles were either contributed, or "insight on the news" kind of articles. Then in 1952, in the Watchtower, "scriptural objections" to vaccination, if any, were removed.

So the big question on my mind is, can it be said that vaccination was made "doctrinal"?

Whether it can be said that it was "doctrinal" or not, what is CLEAR is that the Golden Age publications influenced many AGAINST vaccination, due to the fact that articles against it were published so often.

P.S. Sorry if I got upset at you in previous posts.

ILTTATT