Posts by KiddingMe

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My decision to openly greet df persons in the hall

by Daniel1555 in

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at the moment i am still going to all the meetings (for family reasons).. we have at the moment 1 df person who regularly comes (already df for 1.5 years).. when i opened him the door i always greeted him but in the hall i didn't as others could see it.. now i decided that my conscience can not bear this any longer.

i will greet him also in the hall or when others are around.. if any elders notice it and talk to me, i tell them my conscience does not allow to not greet that person.. did any of you do that too and have some experiences?.

KiddingMe

Adamah said-

If someone really wanted to show TRUE LOVE and help the DFed person, they wouldn't be going to meetings, etc in the first place. The policy is BS, and you can only vote with YOUR feet, accepting a personal responsibility for your helping perpetuate a harmful practice. Your attempts to show basic human compassion is only likely to be read as a sign that some JWs have a sense of compassion, thus confirming that the decision to seek reinstatement is correct (as confirmed by the chilling words of Kidding Me, above who said):

Kidding me said-

I have been wondering about this more lately. I always smile at DF'd ones, especially the youth. I've heard from some thatgot reinstated that it's encouraging.

Oh Adamah...if it were only that simple. I get what you are saying and in theory, I agree. However, this is not your typical bullying situation that can be resolved by someone taking a stand for the victim. We are talking about a group (including most of the DF'd ones) that are "programmed" to believe that this is the right thing to do.

How would little old me not attending any more meetings show TRUE LOVE and help for the DF'd one?? What would be the result? Will the rest of the organization follow suit? Or will they look at it as if I got caught up in my own feelings with regard to the policy? Meanwhile, the DF'd one I smiled at, could still choose to stay on their road to reinstatement. It would take the majority (not one, several or even an entire congregation) of JWs to follow suit for it to be taken seriously.

My point, everyone would have to be on the same page for this to be effective. I can't even get my own family "awake" and on the same page and I would be of no benefit to them on the outside. The risk has to be worth the reward. Right now it's not for me.

As for showing basic human compassion and thus confirming the decision to seek reinstatement - if the person is attending the meetings, they for the most part have already made a decision to seek reinstatement.

I just feel that there are high days and low days, and if my little smile (or even a discreet hi in passing) can be of some benefit, then why not? Maybe they are on the verge of completely giving up, doing harm to themself or someone else. Just to know that someone still cares could make a difference.

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My decision to openly greet df persons in the hall

by Daniel1555 in

jw
friends

at the moment i am still going to all the meetings (for family reasons).. we have at the moment 1 df person who regularly comes (already df for 1.5 years).. when i opened him the door i always greeted him but in the hall i didn't as others could see it.. now i decided that my conscience can not bear this any longer.

i will greet him also in the hall or when others are around.. if any elders notice it and talk to me, i tell them my conscience does not allow to not greet that person.. did any of you do that too and have some experiences?.

KiddingMe

I have been wondering about this more lately. I always smile at DF'd ones, especially the youth. I've heard from some that got reinstated that it's encouraging.

I've went to the car in my drive way to talk to one that came by my home to pick up their child but it seemed that they felt more uncomfortable than I, specifically, saying, "let me go before I get you in trouble." When I responded, "no I'm good", they still said, "I know you are but still, I don't want to take any chances".

So at the hall I only speak openly as necessary, I.e. to say thanks for holding the door, excuse me for crossing over them to be seated. I just really don't want to put them in a position at the hall that could affect their reinstatement.

I don't know, maybe there is a fine line to look for.

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Catching the Governing Body with their pants down around the ankles

by Terry in

the following information is significant and extremely useful.. for what?.

for proving a point about jehovah's channel of communication.. what about jehovah's channel of communication?.

it is a fool's paradise of misinformation, awkward and ridiculous assertions and hard-headed nonsense presented as superior divine insider knowledge.. ***.

KiddingMe

Thanks Terry! Marked.

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I messed up again... Opened my mouth... oh well, we'll see where the cards end

by ILoveTTATT in

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so i hadn't talked to my friends on facebook for a while because i had been too busy on my page (now two pages) and my job, and my girlfriend.

so i go on my fb account yesterday and i start talking to a "bible study" i had had while in mexico... after learning ttatt, i have dreamed of ways to tell him and his family to stay away from jw's, but i hadn't had the courage to do so because of a) wanting to get my family awakened first, and b) noticing the horribly bad reaction of the very few people i have actually talked to (three persons).... but anyways, i felt the need to tell him, the "bible study"... he is around 15. his mom was inactive for many years until we found her in "service" and then we started her on a study and she came back... at the time, i thought i was doing a correct thing, if i had known ttatt, no way in hell i would have done that.

now it hurts my conscience, although to my credit, i had no idea of ttatt.. so his mom, him, his brother and sister are all in some way or another associating with jw's.. i wasn't intending to talk to him about ttatt, it just happened.... yesterday we started a conversation (a is him, b is me):.

KiddingMe

I hope everything works out.

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Ran into a witnessing table at the park today

by confusedandalone in

i just got in from my daughters homecoming(she is a cheerleader and these guys make a huge deal out of this stuff).

they play 3 football games of various age groups.

it starts at 8 in the morning and just ended at 1:30. i just got in the house literally 5 minutes ago and i had to share.

KiddingMe

I wonder if I can get some time doing this while attending my son's football game?

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Ran into a witnessing table at the park today

by confusedandalone in

i just got in from my daughters homecoming(she is a cheerleader and these guys make a huge deal out of this stuff).

they play 3 football games of various age groups.

it starts at 8 in the morning and just ended at 1:30. i just got in the house literally 5 minutes ago and i had to share.

KiddingMe

Lol, looks like something I would do.

A few years ago, we were visiting Times Square and as we left the train station, they had a set up like that. Only difference is, they were right in the thick of it, amongst the homeless, break dancers, singers etc. We stopped and talked with them. As I understood it, they were not suppose to approach people, just allow them to come up talk to them. I also understood that this would be done in areas with plenty of foot traffic, such as in large busy cities.

Too funny, they couldn't get far enough from the game population without you popping up.

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Independent verification of Mexico Vs. Malawi

by Knowsnothing in

i posted on manki's crisis of conscience thread the following, and decided it deserves a thread of it's own (giving it was completely ignored, lol).

i'll give you a head start, manky.. http://tearsofoberon.blogspot.com/2009/10/mexico-military-and-jwsthe-truth.html.

under the subheading 6.0 lies and exaggerations, he goes on to say this:.

KiddingMe

Marked

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

KiddingMe

Welcome! Great 1st post! Thanks for sharing!

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My wife and I bought a bar !!

by elder-schmelder in

i think that we are a little crazy but we bought a bar in wisconsin last week.

here is a picture of my wife behind the bar.. .

i still work for my jw family, but my wife is going to run the bar.. .

KiddingMe

Congrats!! My husband and I always talked about owning a bar.

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Did having kids make your decision to leave easier or harder?

by Comatose in

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friends

i was thinking about a few things confusedandalone said the other day.

i mirrored his thinking identically.

for me it was having kids that made my decision to leave an easier one.. if i had no children, i might still be in and just going through the motions.

KiddingMe

Even though I haven't left yet, it's makes it easier. They are my driving force to get out. They've already missed out on enough, but at least things can be different for any kids they may have.

My kids aren't baptized, and I can tell they are not really into it, so that also helps.