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  "He was really smart. Smart people leave all the time" <- Unwitting Witness Tells The Truth

  by gubberningbody in

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  how many of you have heard this one, or words to that effect?.

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  I got the "You're going to think yourself right out of the truth" all the time. To which I would always respond "You're asking me not to think?"
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  Studying "What Does the Bible Really Teach?"

  by homeschool in

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  i can't believe it.

  i've actually had two studies with my sister from that book.

  yesterday, she told me i was being argumentative.

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  Tell your sister that you have questions regarding the publication but when she's there they slip your mind, so you'd like to write notes when you study the chapter beforehand so that you can remember to bring them up in your study.

  Then you'll have a notebook full of questions to ask for the study and it won't seem suspicious.

  I haven't done a review on Youtube, my series is about the questions I had, right now I'm kind of the intermediary point for active JWs to go if they have some doubts but don't want to fall full on into apostate material. I think if I do something like that it would turn the corner and I would absolutely be considered an apostate.
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  Studying "What Does the Bible Really Teach?"

  by homeschool in

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  i can't believe it.

  i've actually had two studies with my sister from that book.

  yesterday, she told me i was being argumentative.

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  Hey there Homeschool...

  There was a thread on here from about 8 years ago that discusses whether Isaiah mysteriously knew the earth was a globe, when supposedly everybody else believed the earth was flat. Firstly, I googled this...it appears that many people back then DID recognize the earth was a globe. Secondly, take a beach ball and stick it next to a pizza. Which one would you say is a "globe" or "round" and which one would you call a "circle"? Isaiah wasn't showing the earth was a globe. He said it's a circle. Like a pizza.

  Just ask her if she can look up the word that was used. It was the word for circle, and the hebrews had a word for sphere that were two completely different things. I think if you search Hebrew lexicon you'll be able to find this out as well. I think it was Pythagorus that postulated the earth was a sphere without attributing it to divine intervention. Also you should probably take the story about Joshua telling the sun to stand still, to show they didn't believe in a heliocentric universe. I would probably steer the conversation something like this:

  "So you're saying here that Jehovah inspired the scriptures here for knowledge that was far in advance to the knowledge at the time? For instance around the same time the Greeks were teaching that Apollos carried the sun around the Earth in a chariot and one day he made the sun stay down for months at a time. Knowing what we know now about the Earth rotating around the sun we know that in order for the earth to remain in darkness for months it would involve physics that just aren't possible right, you know the Earth would need to stop rotating, not only that but the whole solar system would need to stop dead in it's tracks. The rotation of the Earth stopping so suddenly would cause large earthquakes, tsunamis, I'm doubting the Earth would survive. Wouldn't you agree that what the Greeks say there wouldn't be possible, by simple physics?"

  She'll probably say yes here, unless she can see where you're going with it. From here you hit with the story of Joshua.

  "But wait, when I tell you that Joshua told Jehovah to make the sun stand still, he did. Do you believe that happened? So why the double standard?"

  The key here is read the chapter before the study and pick out one big major point that you'd like to get into. You want to point to special pleading and making her use her discernment towards other religions with part of your argument, then applying the same thing to Jehovah's Witnesses directly afterwards. There shouldn't be any wiggle room. Here she would agree with the science that it's impossible for Apollos to stop the sun from traveling around the Earth because the sun didn't do that to begin with, and knowing what we do about the Earth the results would be catastrophic. Then immediately following it up with the fact she does believe the same thing can be accomplished when it's her God. I believe amama2six is doing a bible study with the same book and recording it on JWS so if you join you can hear it, I also did a big review on Chapter 3 bringing up a plethora of points.
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  Jilted boyfriend shot dead Jehovah's Witness father who barred him from seeing his daughter

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200957/chilling-carnage-jilted-boyfriend-murders-jehovahs-witness-father-banned-romance-daughter.html.

  by daily mail reporter.

  last updated at 4:41 pm on 20th july 2009. comments (6)add to my storiesjonathan cock was jailed for at least 25 years today after he admitted murdering his ex-girlfriend's father.

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  Tuesday

  Are you sure it was the banning from dating his daughter or he was lashing out because of his woeful last name... seriously if that was my last name I'd want to kill someone too.
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  Debunking the WTS view of apostasy

  by Awakened at Gilead in

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  just created a new video that uses the bible to show how jw's claims about apostates lack biblical basis.. your comments are welcome.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eg219nkire.

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  I really liked this video, commented and favorited!!!
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  What Works Best on Exposing JW's? All of the above....

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  there are some days when i log in here and because of my own views on governing body dogma (which is, its a big smelly stinky wet pile of shit), i find myself writing essays about subjects concerning how nutty their doctrines really are, how weak they are.

  so i do these expose's and at the end of it, i feel better, because i know, (i know!

  ) that the governing body are cynical liars, and that their doctrine is total crap.. i know this is good for those who actually care enough to take up the gb on its offer to "study the deeper things", might question what they find, and want some other info... thats how it started with me.... lately however..... this other way, where you simply mock jw's.... when i first came here, i was pretty sensitive to that.

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  Whether people deny it or not these sites do promote hatred and mocking of witnesses or pro-witnesses and what is our crime? Only that we believe what you do not anymore, so why does this make us worthy of mockery and hate?

  I used to think this same thing until someone pointed out something differently to me.

  They talked about White Surpremist groups, they sincerely believe there's going to be some sort of race war. They believe in the preservation of the white race. Can you have a civilized discussion with them to get them to no longer believe? I guess with some of them you can, however usually they have to go through their own breaking point when they realize what they believed was wrong. What has been the most effective way to minimalize membership in these organizations? Believe it or not mockery has been the most effective method. There's media mocking racists, documentaries openly exposing and mocking them, many jokes mocking them.

  Those who are in, are in. How many people honestly got out due to discussion with someone if they didn't have any doubts whatsoever? I would venture to say not many. However for new recruits, how many do you think would join a group that is openly mocked? The thought wouldn't even enter their mind, same with white surpremists.

  So now I see that mockery can be a valid method opposing a group.
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  Some things really ticked me off at the meeting last night...

  by wantarevolution in

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  ...aside from the snooze fest that was the "bible study", taken by a brother who was 5 minutes late - went 10 minutes over and obiously hadn't prepared shit for the meeting (this is the same brother that "encouraged" me to be 15 minutes early for all meetings to welcome people).

  1) i had the no3 talk, about "christians helping the poor", no source material or anything.

  i played it good, spoke about our duty to be good christians, and charitable to everyone, and how it is a conscience matter as to how we donate our money or charitable deeds.i even used a quote by mother theresa.

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  1. why i didn't mention the charity works done by the witnesses in America after Katrina /Houston floods

  Because they only helped their brothers and sent any left-over scraps to those who needed the help. That's not charity, it's just helping your brothers. Even then, the displaced brothers and sisters couldn't stay in the Kingdom Halls that were completed LONG before their homes were done.

  At least that's what I would've said.
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  The bibles missing books

  by jacethespace in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  throughout the bible it constantly points to books which havent been included in the codex.for example it says "see the book of enoch" or "enoch prophesied of these..".and "see the book of jasher" as well as others.. the watchtower has always said that even though babylon the great isnt gods organization that they happened to be guided by gods holy spirit when they decided which books to cananize and which to not.. only thing is thinking about it one thing springs to mind!.

  if they are written about in scripture under the israelites and under the christians of the 1st century then they were of course using these "missing books" back then anyway.. so the watchtowers stance on this is flawed.. does anyone else have anymore information on these missing books or the watchtowers info on this?.

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  Tuesday

  By the time Jesus came the hebrew scrolls considered inspired are as we have today

  Source please?

  And on the greek scripture the time period to be part of the canon was very small and those within it are quite set.

  Source please? There were other gospels and other letters to congregations.

  Revelation was only doubted because of content, with it's talk on resurrection and armageddon very much at odds with you die and goto heaven or hell doctrine of the later trinitarians

  That and it's written like someone tripping out on shrooms or LSD.

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  ly you talk of the appocrypha but have any of you read them?

  Yes.

  Try enoch and it's obsession with Angels sex lifes and maybe you will see how far removed they are from the actual books we do use in the bible.

  Other books of the bible are obsessed with human's sex lives. I don't see how that is far removed at all. Do you want us to cite all the examples of the bible talking graphically about people's sex lives?

  While some non-inspired imperfect books might have info worth refering too by inspired authors this does not make them canon and never did.

  According to who? If you really only want half the story, and if you don't want to see why the book needed to be referenced in the first place sure I guess you can avoid them. Would you mind telling me exactly how you can figure out that one book saying it's inspired by God is actually inspired by God and another one saying the same thing isn't? Especially if the book you're saying IS inspired by God references this other book that you say isn't. Please dear, the floor is yours:
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  Everybody say hi to my husband...

  by cognac in

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  because we have a stinken spy on our hands!

  oh, and he wants to let everyone know that he is unbreakable in the truth.

  as a matter of fact, hes going out in service both saturday and sunday.

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  Tuesday

  No one is unbreakable in their beliefs, it's finding the right chink that will burst the suit of armor open.

  Don't take my word for it, take every member on this board's word for it.
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  The bibles missing books

  by jacethespace in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  throughout the bible it constantly points to books which havent been included in the codex.for example it says "see the book of enoch" or "enoch prophesied of these..".and "see the book of jasher" as well as others.. the watchtower has always said that even though babylon the great isnt gods organization that they happened to be guided by gods holy spirit when they decided which books to cananize and which to not.. only thing is thinking about it one thing springs to mind!.

  if they are written about in scripture under the israelites and under the christians of the 1st century then they were of course using these "missing books" back then anyway.. so the watchtowers stance on this is flawed.. does anyone else have anymore information on these missing books or the watchtowers info on this?.

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  I would be surprised if you could find anywhere that the bible says read some such book. it might in passing mentions items from a couple non-bible secular books of the time but that doesn't make them part of the bible. You need to provide proof of your statements.

  You have to be kidding on this one, right. I mean there's even a Wikipedia article regarding it.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-canonical_books_referenced_in_the_Bible

  It's like if I make a parody or a comment about a movie, you have to see the movie to get it completely. Same thing here, if the bible is referencing another book that is not included inside it then wouldn't it make sense you should read that book as well to get what the bible is referencing?