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Should America just pull out and leave Iraq and Afgan today regardless of outcome?
by Witness 007 injuly and august have seen the worst fighting and bloodshed since the war began....the general in afganistan has asked for a staggering 30,000 more american troops!
should america do a vietnam and pull out leaving the country to fend for itself.
i think civil war will come regardless of when and how.....today or 2012 will make no difference.
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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark
by Blue Grass inabout a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".
two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.
scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.
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Noah's Ark actually happened?
Can you take this one Joe Rogan?
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ex wants to be free to remarry - ugh
by No Apologies inok, i'm sure i am not the first one to be in this predicament but it sure is a headache, my jw ex called a few days ago, apparently she has met someone (they're not dating of course!
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she wants confirmation either in writing or verbally to a third party, that she is "scripturally free" to remarry.. i have managed for years now to avoid any judicial action and my jw family members still associate with me, but that all could come to a screeching halt if i give her what she wants.. the only bright side is she totally robbed me on the divorce; if she gets married i am at least off the hook for "spousal maintenance", that would mean potentially thousands of dollars in my pocket.... .
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My letter would be as follows
Dear Ex:
I give you my full permission to marry whomever you would like to, however if you're looking for me to put in writing that I have fornicated since we have separated I cannot do that as I have not. Sorry to be an inconvinience.
Thank You,
Your Ex
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Studying "What Does the Bible Really Teach?"
by homeschool ini can't believe it.
i've actually had two studies with my sister from that book.
yesterday, she told me i was being argumentative.
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I suppose that's pretty much it for today. She was telling me how science is finding out about how each person has a "god gene"....an inborn yearning to find god. I asked "what about atheists?"...." she said 'they're probably just turning off the natural switch in their brain'
My response here would be "Do you have the study for this, you know they've mapped the human genome if you want we can go to www.pubmed.com and see if they mention which sequence is the yearning for God gene."
Honestly it sounds to me you might be taking up this challenge a bit early, if you have the publication you should research the chapter you're about to study and write sticky notes on each part where you have a question. Also try to expect her reaction so you can have a response for it.
In the case of the trinity, I would've brought her back to the definition that they don't think they're one that they're in union. Then there's a scripture where Jesus says "I am in union with the Lord" and also John 10:30 which says "I and the father am one". From there I heard a great example regarding the trinity, hold out your hand from your body and say. What's between my hand and my body. The chances are she'll say, air or space. Then you can tell her "there are three things between my hand and my body, air, heat and light. They're three separate things that cannot be separated. They're all different but all the same thing." Then just tell her that's how you understand the trinity being explained. Also the first thing you need to believe is that God can be in two places at once in order for the trinity to take place. So then you ask her if she believes that can happen. When she says no, you can ask her "Are not all things possible for God, don't you think he could be in two places at once?"
I'm not sure what her response would be here, in general though the way to handle the trinity at least when I'm discussing with JWs is not, "The trinity is right" or "the trinity is wrong" but be sure to point out it's an interpretation. End everything with "Can you see why someone might understand it that way". It's all about showing that a teaching is on equal footing with theirs, there are equal proofs for both teachings.
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"I'm Perfect, You're Doomed" discussion...
by Tuesday inhas anyone read this book?.
i figured i had to comment because everyone was telling me oh tim, youre going to love this book.
she went to the same assemblies as you, she was raised in a similar household, she did poetry slams as well.
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Rachel,
Don't get all pissy because I called you on what you were trying to do. Now you're trying to be all sarcastic saying "I had you in mind." You enjoyed the book which is great, in enjoying that book you remembered my post and decided to post some alterior motive to discredit my opinion on not liking the book.
You're still doing it.
Fine. I was simply making a suggestion of something you might not have thought of. I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Apparently you have already thought of everything and don't need input from others. Too bad you can't fix your original post that said it welcomed people's thoughts. Apparently that meant to only post about our own personal thoughts that had to do with us. I am sorry that I had a thought about you, thought it might be helpful to you, and posted it. Apparently this is some kind of boundary I have crossed. I honestly don't see it as crossing a boundary, but maybe that is an indication of how far off the mark I still am in many ways.
Again if you want to state why you like the book that's perfectly fine, I've given reasons why I didn't like the book. Is there a specific reason why you feel the need to assign another one to why I didn't like the book? I still do welcome why you liked the book, I don't welcome people telling me why I didn't like something and the three s's: scorn, skeptisism and sarcasm. The only thing you're far off the mark in is your own motivation of posting. If you want to say why you liked the book that is fantastic, if you want to say that you don't feel that she fits the stereotypes of ex-JWs, that's fine too. Brinjin said that she felt the same part that I felt was harmful in showing a child faking an accusation of molestation wasn't harmful and why. I can see her point of view, I didn't jump all over it, the only thing I jump on is people trying to invalidate my opinion by assigning an untrue reasoning to it.
I still don't see how suggesting that perhaps you didn't like the book because you couldn't relate to the main character was undermining your reasons or implying you had some ulterior motive. That just does not make sense to me.
You're essentially saying here "The reasons that he listed for why he didn't like the book is not the real reason he didn't like the book, it's because he didn't relate to the character." It's not a perhaps either, you didn't say "You might not have liked it because you can't relate to the character" you told me in no uncertain terms that I could never relate to the character. Which is ridiculous.
Perhaps you really take yourself too seriously when it comes to books written by former Jehovah's Witnesses about their experiences in the Jehovah's Witnesses
.I doubt anyone who knows me thinks I'm serious about anything. Some of the people here are on my facebook and I'm sure they'll agree. Maybe this book just hit too close to home for you and someone saying they didn't like it somehow offends you and some similar choices you've made in life. You can't see why someone who would like to destroy all the stereotypes that JWs have of ex-JWs might not like a book that confirms them all? If I were to do like you have here on this thread I could state here that your real reason you liked the book wasn't because you thought it was funny, well written, or indicative of a JW expirience, but you did similar things in your past and you feel validated by reading someone else did as well. To which you felt guilty regarding how you left the JWs and reading someone else's similar expirience takes some of that guilt away, so that you can blame the JWs for your own mistakes, thinking that if more than one person fell into that trap you can finally shift the blame onto the organization. Really though, I'm not saying that's the reason you liked the book and the other reasons you cited are not the REAL reasons, your reasons are perfectly valid. You enjoyed her story, you related to it, fantastic glad you liked the book.
Also, I didn't read the book because I wanted to read a book about a chick who royally f'ed up her life. I picked up the book because I wanted to read someone's unique experience with the Jehovah's Witness organization. I was not disappointed, because I didn't have an incredibly strict criteria going in. I had an open mind. If you want the story to be told in a very specific way why don't you write it yourself and read that over and over again?
Very nice taking out of context, I said that people could read my review and use it as a reason why they would like to pick up the book. I picked up the book because it came recommended as funny and I'm interested in reading JWs expiriences. I posted this because I didn't like the book and since I didn't see any reviews online of people who didn't like the book I figured some balance was in order. I don't have strict criteria, I read the book I didn't like it for some reasons and I posted why. You think I have some sort of preconceived notion of what makes a good JW book and it has to meet those in order for me to like it. Once again you're trying to assign some ulterior motive to why I didn't like the book to invalidate the reasons why I stated I didn't like the book. What is your deal here? Why is it so imperative that the reasons I gave for not liking the book can't be the REAL reasons I didn't like the book? I've read some expiriences on here and other sites that have absolutely broke my heart. There are tons of different JW stories out there, I'm not fond of the ones that confirm stereotypes. As I stated earlier in this thread I don't need to write a book and read it over and over again, there is a fantastic book that I feel is a much better snapshot of life as a Jehovah's Witness, it deals with the teachings, it deals with the criticisms, it's called "Falling In Truth" by Steve McRoberts. Not only do I feel it's a better book, written better, deals with more parts of being a Jehovah's Witness and motivations behind it, but you can read it for free online.
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"I'm Perfect, You're Doomed" discussion...
by Tuesday inhas anyone read this book?.
i figured i had to comment because everyone was telling me oh tim, youre going to love this book.
she went to the same assemblies as you, she was raised in a similar household, she did poetry slams as well.
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Rachel,
If you want to say that you enjoyed a book that's perfectly fine and if you want to discuss the things in the book even better. I described in detail the reasons I didn't like the book, coming on and giving a different reason why I don't like the book that undermines my reason, like I have some alterior motive for not liking the book is why I would get defensive. At that point I now have to go back and say once again the reasons why I didn't like the book and defend why your speculative reason for me not liking it isn't true.
It seems to me the reasons I hated the book is the same reason people like the book. So me saying why I didn't like the book could in all probability be the reason people pick up the book saying "Oh that's awesome, I want to read about some chick who F's up her life royally."
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Recorded Judicial Committee Meeting on Youtube You Won't BELIEVE What The Elders Say...
by Tuesday init's three parts, not super-long.
i really can't believe the stuff the elders said in this case.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhgdqgtth98.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4s1ohs9r4.
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Hey there Lady Liberty,
This is just one I stumbled across, I never got disfellowshipped because I wasn't baptized.
Thank you for the kind thoughts though.
If I ever had a Judicial Committee meeting I don't think they would know what to do because I seriously would like to know the truth, and I think I convey that pretty well. I don't think they'd be able to shut me down that easily.
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Was pastor Russell right about ANYTHING?
by bohm inhey!.
pastor russell was wrong about a lot of things - one could make a really long list from any 10 random pages from the finished mystery.
but for fun i want to turn it around, so my question is this:.
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I would say he was right about one thing "no one knows the day or the hour of thy lord." He certainly didn't.
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"I'm Perfect, You're Doomed" discussion...
by Tuesday inhas anyone read this book?.
i figured i had to comment because everyone was telling me oh tim, youre going to love this book.
she went to the same assemblies as you, she was raised in a similar household, she did poetry slams as well.
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And OnTheWayOut:
I understand what you are saying.
Thanks, that's all I'm looking for here.
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"I'm Perfect, You're Doomed" discussion...
by Tuesday inhas anyone read this book?.
i figured i had to comment because everyone was telling me oh tim, youre going to love this book.
she went to the same assemblies as you, she was raised in a similar household, she did poetry slams as well.
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Going back to my original point- those stereotypes JWs cast on us- its not the stereotype thats the problem but the value system they assign us. Stop accpeting their value system that the resons we left made us unworthy or less than or weak.
People can't do that right away when they leave, so if us ex-JWs can show them that they're not evil for leaving that they won't fall into those traps simply because they leave maybe these stereotypes will go away. Also it can ease people into life as an ex-JW then slowly get into your opinion which I feel is right.
Stereotypes may exist for reasons, the same is said for cliches right, they're cliches because they're true. So I guess I would say the cliche "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."