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  I'am in the Penalty Box! I asked the Circuit Overseer "Who Donates Blood For Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Fragments".

  by AuntConnie in

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  told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.

  we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".

  said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.

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  ... later that week GB Lett and GB Mark were seen in skinny jeans at Ikea humming Bette Midler tunes amid the kitchen utensils.
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  Apostles were first governing body????

  by NeverKnew in

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  and paul was not a part of the governing body????

  am i hearing this correctly or are these people making things up?.

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  Interesting stuff.

  So how does a scripture like Hebrews 13:17 play in to this conversation?

  Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account...

  ... especially the part about these "leaders' rendering an account?
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  1975 - The Killer WT quote

  by tim hooper in

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  one thing is absolutely certain, bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of mans existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation!

  (matt.

  24:34) this is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent.

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  Great quotes, Trebor.

  This one is quite ironic:

  Our Kingdom Ministry on page 3 in the May 1974 edition states:
  
  " Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end ."

  ... because the only thing I remember as a child in the aftermath of the 1975 debacle was being told how many Witnesses went out and bought expensive cars, houses and boats in anticipation of never having to pay them off.
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  The GB Want More Gimme Gimme Feed Me More Money, What Do We Get?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if we keep dishing out cash, to pay for all of our wonderful new light and spiritual food, have we, in return, actually only been fed garbage?.

  example.. when they tell us not to bring up anything in older publications, because it is no long considered "the truth"(tm), was it ever the truth(tm)?.

  have we been strung along for 130 years, on imitation food, masquerading, as real food?.

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  Concentrate on the Corn!!..

  Outlaw, that's just nasty! LOL
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  CHRISTIANS: Are we meant to identify the last days?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been reading articles from ronald e. frye's, the christian respondent.

  he puts forward this understanding of mark 13, mathew 24 and luke 21:.

  (1) the destruction of jerusalem is set forth in graphic detail.

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  God would not include prophecies in the holy writ unless He wanted people to read them and not fear them or be caught unawares when they come to pass.

  I see your point, but it is all so subjective with each party claiming truth. It has become humanly impossible to legitimately lay claim to absolute accuracy - ESPECIALLY when you start quoting Revelation with all it's imagery.

  For the sake of argument, let's assume that every understanding of prophesy you just mentioned above is wrong. When the prophesies begin to be fulfilled in some other way, it will constitute an "aha!" moment for us, but not necessarily catch us off guard or fearfull... because we knew SOMETHING was coming.

  I believe the argument the author was making is that Jesus gave prophesies about his second coming that could reasonable be applied to every generation that has lived over the last 2000 years, having the affect of keeping every generation sharp and on it's toes. He reasons that THAT was the purpose of the prophesy - not the actual, factual, absolutist identification of a pinpoint in time.

  In your earlier post you said: Jesus used prophecy to show the people that God knew all things from the beginning and to show them the signs of his [second] coming, which all the prophets looked forward to.

  But the information provided could be broadly applied by several generations... and he knew it.
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  WATCHTOWER IN A PANIC!

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jws are in need of more kingdom halls in many major u.s. cities.

  at this years agm where it is expected that most of the faithful will be able to listen to the meeting (being tied in by video), dont be surprised if the wts 8 gb members take part in a symposium delivering some long winded appeal, petition, plea, proposal, proposition, solicitation or otherwise hit-on the masses for $$$ in order to lighten the burden and overuse that many kingdom halls are experiencing.

  an acquaintance from the west coast mentioned to me that in late august thru early september of this year that a number of pow-wows involving close to 5,000 elders from numerous areas (riverside, los angeles, ventura and orange counties) took place to drum up financial support from the 800+ (not sure) congregations in those areas.

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  At this years’ AGM where IT IS EXPECTED that most of the faithful will be able to listen to the meeting (being tied in by video), DON'T BE SURPRISED IF...

  They have certainly taught us how to word our predictions.
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  CHRISTIANS: Are we meant to identify the last days?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been reading articles from ronald e. frye's, the christian respondent.

  he puts forward this understanding of mark 13, mathew 24 and luke 21:.

  (1) the destruction of jerusalem is set forth in graphic detail.

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  I should have clarified that I was not trying to figure out bible prophesy. I've become content to leave prophesy to history - sort it out later. I was just wondering if Jesus was telling us we HAD to look for sign x,y,z in order to "stay awake," and if so, what part of it is about Jerusalem and what part of it was about the last days or was it all a mishmash.

  Thanks for all the responses. Bobcat, you gave me plenty of reading material to sift through. Thank you.
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  CHRISTIANS: Are we meant to identify the last days?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been reading articles from ronald e. frye's, the christian respondent.

  he puts forward this understanding of mark 13, mathew 24 and luke 21:.

  (1) the destruction of jerusalem is set forth in graphic detail.

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  I've been reading articles from Ronald E. Frye's, The Christian Respondent. He puts forward this understanding of Mark 13, Mathew 24 and Luke 21:

  (1) The destruction of Jerusalem is set forth in graphic detail. The disciples are plainly told what events would accompany this and what they should do to protect themselves and avoid getting caught in that destruction.

  (2) The matter of the Lord's coming or parousia is uncertain as to time and would overtake the world and the disciples at a time they would not expect.

  Frye concludes that we were not intended to identify the last days but rather we were to simply be watchful that we not let our Godly devotion slip. Okay, that all makes sense. But my question arises in verses 15-28. Where do we draw the line between Jesus discussing the destruction of Jerusalem and his second coming? Do you think the prophesy about Jerusalem’s destruction is supposed to have a “greater fulfillment” in the last days – as put forward by the WT? I really don’t think there were false Messiah’s running around producing great signs and omens right before the destruction of Jerusalem. But, maybe there were.

  If Christ's answer to his disciples was referring to two separate events at two periods in time, then where do we draw that line in his response?

  If Christ’s answer is to be understood as having related signs and fulfillments in both time periods (and events) then His answer is very specific in a couple of areas – for example the “desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place.”

  What are your thoughts?
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  Did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts

  by perfect1 in

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  2. experiences

  recently on a saturday morning there was a knock on my door.

  two ladies asked me if i was familiar with the jws.

  i said: yes unfortunatley.

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  No. I considered any "defeat" as my own lack of preperation and study. Without question, I had the truth. It said so right there in the Watchtower.

  I'm nobody's fool.
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  This website finally helped me understand the claim of 100% failure rate

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  up to about 5 minutes ago... i still had the notion that maybe jw's predicted something and got it right... that the league of nations was going to rise and become the united nations.

  i think that jw prophecies/predictions are like a shotgun: shoots many projectiles, one of them has got to hit.

  you cannot predict 5 different things and then, when one of them gets partly fulfilled, drop the other 4.5 things, change the 1/2 thing you predicted that was right and make it seem like that was the only thing you predicted, and make the entire one point fit after the fact.. reading watchtower literature throughout the years (1879 till now), and then coming here and getting awesome explanations from people like leolaia and other researchers, i finally understand the claim that most apostate websites make: the wt has a 100% prediction failure rate.. they were lucky that something big happened in 1914... but now i am much wiser and i know that everything they predicted for 1914 did not turn out as they predicted... 1914 has been a date with many different hats... from the start of armageddon, to the beginning of the last days... etc.... thank you very much jwn for completely opening my mind.

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  Zoos

  I use the SEARCH engine on this site more than anywhere else. There's a ton of great stuff here to sift through.

  There's also a lot of caca on the floor, so be sure to wear your boots.