Posts by outforever

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Just a little note now that Nelson Mandela's will is read

by TheOldHippie in

nelson mandela shared with his first wife, evelyn, a passionate commitment to a cause.

evelyn, who has died aged 82, was a jehovah's witness with no interest in politics.. as mandela wrote in his autobiography, long walk to freedom: "when i would tell her that i was serving the nation, she would reply that serving god was above serving the nation.

a man and woman who hold such different views of their respective roles in life cannot remain close.

outforever

With your post name it must be JHB! Afrikanman or Pretoria!

Just read in todays newspaper in Durban - he left his stafff monies as well: 9 people R50 000 each. They were so surprised: from his cook to his chauffeur.

His ex Winnie did not get anything.

His 4 Children: +/- R3.3 million each.

His 18 Grandchildren: 4 he left: R3.3 million: the rest R100 000

His wife (Graca'd 2 children) R3 million and from her previous marriage: 6 children: R100 000

Then he had property / left to Schools / Trusts / and some to the ANC to further reconciliation.

Yep that's it. wish he left me something haha

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Just a little note now that Nelson Mandela's will is read

by TheOldHippie in

nelson mandela shared with his first wife, evelyn, a passionate commitment to a cause.

evelyn, who has died aged 82, was a jehovah's witness with no interest in politics.. as mandela wrote in his autobiography, long walk to freedom: "when i would tell her that i was serving the nation, she would reply that serving god was above serving the nation.

a man and woman who hold such different views of their respective roles in life cannot remain close.

outforever

That was really interesting hippie.

I live in South Africa and did not know these details.

Thanks

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Consequences of the cult? FEAR and PASSIVITY - anything else?

by BluePill2 in

jw
friends

depending how long you where a member or if you where a born in, the watchtower leaves certain marks or traces in your mind that you only notice after leaving them for good.. i think this is similar to a big river, with a high level of water that covers the hidden rocks and cliffs.

once you start lowering the water level, all these rocks come to the surface and suddenly that river is difficult to navigate.. like that river, our minds are flooded with false hope for the future, a naive expectation to have jehovah sort things out for you and lots of fake, conditional love and warmth.

all these things hide the fact that the same organization also put some heavy rocks into your mind called fear and passivity.

outforever

Also you do not want to do or say the wrong thing - because you have been taught one thing but your mind and heart says another - so one feels guilt as well.

This takes time - time - time that is the only thing that will heal - also (in my case) one believes that their is no god. It is only you and you alone - that can help yourself - along with this thought comes a whole new dimension and FREEDOM.

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Many JWs are chaste or virtuous homosexuals and "in good standing"

by Rufus T. Firefly in

[it gets under my skin when people post that a jw was df'd for being homosexual.

if one ever was df'd simply for being homosexual, one would have ample grounds for a lawsuit.

the comments in brackets are mine.].

outforever

agree with KateWild

Also if you and the parents are in the "in" crowd - and they carry favour with the elders - whatever you do will be swept under the carpet. It has nothing at all to do with the holy spirit.

If you in you in - if you out you out!!

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If Somethingbad

by minimus in

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friends

outforever

No I say "debbie sort it out" that me, myself, and I. And if something bad happens in the world. Oh well it happens.

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Celebrate my first post of many :)

by Mellow in

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friends

hi everyone, my name is mellow (some names have been changed) lol.

as no doubt many of you were, i was born in.

i am now in my mid 20s living in a jehovah's witness household.

outforever

welcome Mellow - from sunny side SOUTH AFRICA!!

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Are JWs making themselves sick?

by Faithful Witness in

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friends

i am reading steve hassan's book, freedom of mind.

on page 120, he lists some ways that a cult member will elicit their authentic identity.

1. creating illnesses, such as skin problems, asthma, or allergic reactions, that give the cult member an excuse to sleep or take time off from work.. my mom has had a mysterious rash, creeping and reappearing on her face and body, for months.

outforever

Yes I do think that many JW bluff and or create their own illness - so that they do not have to go out on field service or go to many of the meetings - and yes stress also plays a major part in their lives - because they just cannot get up with all the meetings / so it has to come out in some form of illness.

Know my friend when I was a JW (15 years ago) (she has passed on now) she had this terrible skin allergy - and little did I know but she was sexually abused by her father / (she was adopted) this father was an elder as well - she only told me 2 or so years before she died / (the then elders did nothing about it) awful!!

So yes if you are unhappy about something or just unhappy in the borg then it has to come out somehow - and this could be so in your mom's case.

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My granny died.

by LouBelle in

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friends

last week friday i was delayed in going to work, for which i am glad.

it was an opportunity for me to help my gran one last time.

she thanked me, told me she loved me and that i would be very blessed.

outforever

carla - yes I am on - but long time ago was on as madmax - then left for a long while - did not know how to come back as madmax so went under outforever (name suits me better - in the begining I was really upset - not any more)

yes lubelle sorry forgot to tell you haha -

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My granny died.

by LouBelle in

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friends

last week friday i was delayed in going to work, for which i am glad.

it was an opportunity for me to help my gran one last time.

she thanked me, told me she loved me and that i would be very blessed.

outforever

Hi LouBelle..........this is my daughter everyone. We live on the property of my mother in law / Lou's gran. I just wanted to let everyone know that Lou did a lot for her gran. When she was well - they went everywhere, movies, casino, dinner, lunch. Lou cooked a lot for her granparents and went out of her way for them. Must say at times they did not appreciate her as old people are but she did it anyway. When her gran was really ill, Lou had to do all the messy things and sort her gran out. Yes Lou had a very hard time with her grandad (as we all did) but she continued to carry on. So yes want to say I love my daughter very much and thank goodness we are both out.

We do have a good laugh and enjoy each other's company - we even went to the Assembly and protested outside just the 2 of us - what a good time we had!!

So thanks Lou and thanks to everyone on this board - for supporting her thru some really rough times she went thru - but we stuck together as a family and with your help she has come thru. Living is S. A is tough - but it is a really wonderful country - we as a family have just got to make sure we safe - lock up and look out for one another.

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Are there ever any scriptural reasons why a man would get a separation from his wife?

by CrackingTheWhip in

*** lv pp.

220-221 the bibles view on divorce and separation ***.

willful nonsupport.

outforever

The problem is: if and that is if!!!! you can get a seperation - then divorce does normally comes later and that will cause a huge scandel (because now she HAS to get a job and she HAS to do this or that!! so terms and conditions will apply before you take her back.....and no way as the others have said will the elders allow this to happen to a women who is doing god's work!!