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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  God it's so like the Borg it's unreal!

  You can take a person out of the kingdom hall, but with certain individuals, you cannot take the kingdom hall out of the person.
  
  
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  WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

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  .......you will experience a fate worse than death!

  you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

  you've got one month to change your mind.

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  I try not to look back at what may have been lost in the years I spent as a JW. I'm happy enough to have gotten out and gained my freedom and a fuller control of my life than I ever had. I can't change the past, I can only live in the present and plan for the future. So I'm happier by doing the latter two and minimizing the impact of those lost years.

  Thankfully for me as a born-in, I went into full rebellion mode in my teen years and was completely out by age 15. My parents passed away decades ago, and besides resenting the WT for stealing the happiness from my childhood, I also hate the WT for depriving our family of quality family time. But the damages caused by the WT are what economists refer to as "sunk costs." There's nothing we can do to change what has already happened; we can only "move ahead" (Song no. 63 from the 1970s songbook) by learning from the past and living what's left of our lives to the fullest.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Now it’s not a question of if but when they stumble upon information not convenient to Lloyd and people willing to convey it. The system of fear has been lifted.

  This is why there is no merit to the "he has an excellent body of work" argument. There's a lot of dirt in that pig's pen.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  From Mike and Kim, I demand €700,000.

  
  

  He might need that money to pay for the food necessary to support his multiple chins. In my opinion, the financial statements available on the FINA site do not come anywhere close to supporting a 700,000 Euro value for the business. It just looks like more hot air from a disgusting slob.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Jw facts say’s around 65k leave jw each year
  coc was written 40 years ago
  Give or take would you say 2 million?
  if so 10k is half of 1 percent

  These are the "facts" you are relying on in support of your conjecture that COC "saved" 10s of thousands of people from JW? As I said, there is absolutely no evidence to support your conjecture. You might want to avoid refilling that shot glass.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  if you would the what about the 10s of thousands of people it has saved from jw?

  There is certainly no evidence I am aware of that any book, including COC, has saved "10s of thousands of people . . . from jw." Is that shot glass empty?
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  If Raymond franz had used prostitutes and was a narcissist would it make crisis of conscience any less valuable? It would be a shame they weren’t an upstanding human that we could respect but C OF C would still be accurate and useful

  Yes, if the facts of your hypothetical were true, it would make COC less valuable because adultery, regardless of whether it's with a paid prostitute or anyone else, has a negative bearing on the credibility of the adulterer. Put simply, if a person is cheating on his wife who later discovers his adultery, the wife will likely never trust her husband to be honest ever again. Why would anyone of sound mind and reasonable intelligence expect an adulterer to be honest with anyone else?

  Unlike the slob that you are here to support, I am unaware of any allegations of adultery made against Raymond Franz.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Going through someone’s accounts without them there to give an explanation is a total waste of time and all conclusions you come to are invalid as the person hasn’t given their reply, as annoying as it may be, that he won’t reply, he won’t so all you are left with is unconfirmed speculation, It is as it is.

  So, after your ad hominem fallacious argument had the same effect as a bad laxative as it didn't move anyone, you're changing your argument to "going through someone's accounts without them there to give an explanation is a total waste of time." It seems to me that your hopeless effort to defend the indefensible is the real waste of time.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  picking through his accounts like this just shouts out jealousy because he has been successful in his activism, . . .

  What you refer to as "jealousy" is actually healthy skepticism being exercised by folks who left a high-control group that frowns on any form of dissent or skepticism. Given the allegations about his conduct, and his rebuttal, skepticism about his accounts is certainly both healthy and reasonable. It's your right to serve as Lloyd's advocate, despite the disturbing allegations and pathetic response to them. However, your use of ad hominem arguments like "those who ask questions are jealous of him" demonstrates rather clearly that there is no merit to your position.
  

  The publicly-available financial statements do not support your characterization of his activism as "successful." If you're referring to something other than financial success, please elaborate and provide some facts to support your claims.
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  Since the company has a loss for this year part of that loss is covered by financial investment. Basically you cover the loss by your special reserve. This doesn't mean cash is moved from A to B.

  That's not what the statement reflects. The statement of cash flows shows the impact on the cash balance of operating activities, investing activities and financing activities. The 11,185 Euros I referenced in my last post is shown as an "investment activity" cash outflow affecting the cash balance. It is included in the "net cash flow" amount of -41,619 Euros that is added to cash at the start of the period of 49,843 Euros to arrive at the balance of cash at the end of the 2022 reporting period, 8,224 Euros. Therefore, cash was definitely moved from A to B. Additionally, since this is a capital transaction, there is no income or expense associated with it and it is unlikely to have any effect on the taxes to be paid by the business.