i recently found out several old friends have left and been on their own so to say.
it gave me an idea to check up as best as i can on my old friends because we all know many are alone when they first get out.
if you find any, you'll also have a special connection of having gone through the same thing, etc.
Of the 25+ young people very many of which were raised in the mind prison that were my contemporaries and in my congregation only 2 remain in the truth. They all but exploded out of the organisation and never went back.
That cong lost an entire generation in the space of a few of years. To this day it has never quite recovered.
just thought this was an interesting quote!
does the watchtower "deny" its own for "legal" purposes?
*** km 2/89 pp.
This is incredible!! SO... IF YOU DIE AND ARE MAULED BY BITT BULLS OR STRUNG UP BY A LYNCH MOB WHILE OUT PREACHING FOR US DON'T TELL ANYONE YOU KNOW US!! COS WE CERTAINLY WILL SAY WE DON'T KNOW YOU!!
is this site for real or is it a scam?.
http://www.jwgift.org.
Interesting that the domain was created 10 years ago.. and is only renewed it seems on a yearly basis.. maybe encase the end comes.
is this site for real or is it a scam?.
http://www.jwgift.org.
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a recent conversation with a special pioneer... she went to pioneered in tanzania to serve where the need was greater.. spent years out there living in a decrepit mud hut with no electricity or running water.
despite the occasional great party with locals and the beach drummers she had the most ghastly time.
she said the brothers in the congregation were only interested in her because she was european and they thought that meant she had loads of money.
Sorry I need to correct myself.. she was a missionary not a special pioneer.
It's very difficult to help people with this mindset.. they are so convinced what they are doing is right and perfect that any talk of something different is met with suspicion and instant negativity. It's all attached to the persecution syndrome and the 'suffering for the truth' syndrome. You must not interfere with it or you are seen as against the truth. The conditioning and brain washing is so deep in such individuals that it's almost impossible to get through. They are in a world of their own construction. Woe betide you if you dare tamper with it.
a recent conversation with a special pioneer... she went to pioneered in tanzania to serve where the need was greater.. spent years out there living in a decrepit mud hut with no electricity or running water.
despite the occasional great party with locals and the beach drummers she had the most ghastly time.
she said the brothers in the congregation were only interested in her because she was european and they thought that meant she had loads of money.
A recent conversation with a special pioneer..
She went to pioneered in Tanzania to serve where the need was greater.. spent years out there living in a decrepit mud hut with no electricity or running water. Despite the occasional great party with locals and the beach drummers she had the most ghastly time. She said the brothers in the congregation were only interested in her because she was European and they thought that meant she had loads of money. She was constantly being asked for things, especially cash and financial help form those in the congregation. She was bleached dry. The stress too played heavily on her and resulted in deteriorating health and being utterly emotionally and spiritually drained. Eventually a visiting DO told her to just pack her stuff and go home. It was not the glamorous exotic experience she imagined it would be. She did not return full of faith building stories of the great expansion and increasing numbers joyful of receiving the truth. In fact I did not hear a single spiritual morsel from her. She was in quite serious depression and confusion. What did come across although she did her best to hide it was that she was very disappointed and deluded over the sheer lack of any genuine interest and concern that the 'society' had for her. Now she is back in Europe unable to find suitable work and employ.. she has no useful skills or qualifications.. she has expended her youth and whatever other qualities that would make a prospective husband see her as a catch. She did not make it into the year book and now is on the 'past sell buy date' shelf wondering what went wrong with the other army of frustrated and ageing spinsters.. She did say that many of the special pioneers are being sent home now to serve in their original home congregations. Looks like the society does not even want to support them in foreign lands any more with the little salary they used to get for doing 'special' hours. Sad..
i came across 3 very long serving regular pioneers today in the street.
they are out preaching full time ever day.
they are at the forefront and spearhead the teaching of jehovah's witnesses on ground level.
That's very valid Adamah.. yes your right.
I guess I have some fire burning in me still.. my wounds are still very bloody and fresh and am not quite ready for the art of subtly. I'm sure it will come in time.
on request from friends thread i would like to tell you my story.
the subject from friends thread was simply : are jw,s more negative or more disordered than normal people?.
i was 10 15 years ago an elder.
Aside from the normal physical ailments... I had a conversation with my doctor recently.. and he told me that he has very many witness patients. And that many of them have serious and deep mental and psychological problems directly caused by being involved and having every inch of their lives controlled and dictated by a belief system that makes no sense. But because of their stance that mental health services are all part of Satan's system and silently frowned upon they are very reluctant if ever to seek any outside or professional help.
Paranoid schizophrenia and sever personality and emotional disorders apparently can be cured by more door to door service, digesting back issues of the Watchtower alone and the kind of wisdom from elders that can only come from years of having cleaned windows. So it means there are a vast number of very unwell individuals coasting it though in the organisation untreated for up to decades and entire life spans.
i came across 3 very long serving regular pioneers today in the street.
they are out preaching full time ever day.
they are at the forefront and spearhead the teaching of jehovah's witnesses on ground level.
That's a fair point Searcher but still I can not any longer feel pity for people blind themselves deliberately.
I personally have never preached, taught or promoted any governing body ever in any time I was in there. When I did my door knocking i only ever spoke about love.. God.. Jesus and the Bible.. nothing else. I could not because I did not believe it myself.
Even when I did my baptism questions i told them I did not relate to any kind of 'governing body'. Only God. i have never changed this view. Yet they still let me get baptised. I told the elders that I do not even recognise my baptism. I had no relationship with God what so ever at teh time... I did not believe in the organisation, and I'm sure I was sinning my ass off back then as well. How on earth could I be ready for something like baptism. Yet down that path I was steered.
Ridiculous.
Appointed by holy spirt? Even more ridiculous..
i came across 3 very long serving regular pioneers today in the street.
they are out preaching full time ever day.
they are at the forefront and spearhead the teaching of jehovah's witnesses on ground level.
I guess they have not read about that either Smiddy...
I also managed to ask them what proof can they provide that Jesus even came in 19-whatever and chose them from all the earth to be his spokseman to all mankind..
Their reply: 'the evidence points to the fact'
.. and I used to think it was me that was insane ..
