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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  "Is there a particular reason that He could not teach in Eden?"

  Well, I don't know what your theology is... I'm only versed [kinda] in WT theology and that of your average Christian. I don't think your system of belief is either. (Oh, and a bit of the biblical unitarian stuff)

  I don't think any of them have Jesus romping about with his dad in the breezy part of the day. Far as I know.

  "In any case, you have left out the part about how they could eat from him"

  Um, when you said... Hold on while I find it... "By eating... taking into themselves/receiving from Him... his fruit, teachings, holy spirit (the water of life).", I thought you were clarifying what you meant. That is to say - that taking in his teachings IS eating from him.

  If that is not what you are saying - since you just made a distinction between the two - then what do you mean by "eat from him"?

  Please assume I'm an idiot who finds it hard to understand things which aren't spelled out to him.

  "I don't know. I don't know what you are finding hard to understand. If we are told that we can eat from Christ; indeed we are told to eat his flesh and drink his blood... why is it so hard to grasp that they could have eaten from Him then?"

  I think I'm finding it hard to understand you because I don't know where you are swithching from metaphorical language to literal... Or back again. Or even if you are, switching I mean.

  When it comes to the emblems I have no trouble. (Eat bread/literal - eat jesus/metaphor)

  Genesis 3 v 22 gives the impression that the "fruit of life" could just be taken, even by the unworthy, and eaten to grant everlasting life. Isn't that a bit like someone stealing some of the emblems and scoffing them to get saved on the sneak? (If we're talking about a literal tree that they had to be prevented from eating)

  Where does the physical tree end and christ begin? (And do I detect "death" behind the tree of knowledge... He gets about in your belief system)

  (I don't expect you to answer every point btw, just trying to explain the roots of my confusion)
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  This will be fun. What is your generation count?

  by Defianttruth in

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  the wbts teaches a overlapping (generation) will not pass away since 1914 right?.

  what is your personal genealogy.

  (1) my great grand father was born in 1901. he became active with the bible students around 1910. .

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  "Grandmother, mother, me. The line stops here. (so one overlapping generation then...)"

  This^^
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  "saying ridiculous ideas don't warrant ridicule is as illogical as saying that praise-worthy ideas don't deserve praised"

  Beat me to it.
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  LucidChimp

  How could they "take in" his teachings in Eden? (What with him not having taught anyone anything yet.)

  Am I missing something here? (And if the tree is Christ - why would god want to stop them having his[christ's] "fruit"? If the tree of life is christ and the fruit is his teachings... wouldn't that mean both trees were trees of knowledge and god has information control issues?)

  I'm confused.

  
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  Freedom From Atheism Foundation

  by Seraphim23 in

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  in the interests of being fair, i feel i have to point out this facebook page.

  after one minute of reading, i located at least one lie regarding the tyt or young turks presenter cenk.

  they said he was an atheist so i pointed out that this is not correct as he self identifies as an agnostic.

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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  K, how would they have eaten "from" him then?
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  How Long Have You Been Viewing Thiis Site? Does It Serve Its Purpose For You?

  by minimus in

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  i've been here forever.... this site still gives us some of the most up to date info about jws .

  it keeps evolving.

  sometimes it is the place to be and i think that's especially true for newbies.

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  I lurked for a year or two before I joined (and still don't login most days even now I've joined)

  Love this place - there was a good long period of time when reading posts on this site was the only thing that convinced me I wasn't mental. Or at least, if I was, I wasn't alone in being so.
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  The "Tree of Life and its meaning"

  by EdenOne in

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  hi all.. just letting know that i've published a new article on my website, titled "the tree of life and its meaning".. you're welcome to visit, read and discuss it.. eden.

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  I'm curious... If the tree of life is supposed to be Christ, how would Adam and Eve have eaten him? (Gen 3 v 22)
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  "Makes sense to me."

  What does? That it can have a will without a mind - or that it can't have a will without a mind? (Don't you need a want/desire to "will" something? ["Will" as seperated from a simple purpose - my ashtray has a purpose])

  "We at least have an image so that we can understand and know God."

  Since this was in answer to my question about death having a "will", I'm not sure what you mean? (An image of what, and how does this help us know god?

  "Ah... Gmork. Thank you. I remember watching it as a kid and struggling to wrap my head around this 'great nothing' also."

  Taking this comment with what you then went on to say about death being more worrying than the Devil: I find that curious. When I believed (take into account here Jdub theology and the whole "god's sovereignity" thing), I never understood the whole argument about heaven vs paradise earth... What does it matter? It matters that we prove god right, even if we get no reward at all. (At least that's how I thought. My point being that I cared little about death at all ["The Great Nothing" seemed fairly peacefull a prospect in the end and no more destructive in achieving its goals than god])

  "had someone else not mentioned what she had received on the matter of death."

  To pick up on zound's point here - Is it possible perhaps that someone (you/her/both of you) is simply mistaking the bible's fondness for "poetic" language and taking this too literally? Just a thought. After all, I'm not a believer and claim no insight.

  Ta for the answers btw.

  Pizza.
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  LucidChimp

  Can someone/thing have "will" without a "mind"? I don't think so (I don't expect you to answer that btw, you said you don't know... I'm just thinking while I type).

  "You two ever see the movie, the Neverending story? Remember the great Nothing (I think that is what it was called) and its agent, that wolf thing."

  See it? I lived it, I saw the damn thing so many times I still dream about gmork (wolf dude) from time to time.

  But if what you're saying is true - shouldn't we be worried about Death rather than Satan? If Death is the Devil's bossman and he has his own purpose? Sounds like the Devil is just Robin to Death's Batman.

  "and as always, look to Christ for the Truth. Not me"

  Tyvm, but no. You have a better response rate when it comes to answering.