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  Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

  i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

  it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

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  How may of you who cite science and discuss philosophy are (a) scientist and (b) read any philosophy?
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  Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

  i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

  it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

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  Wow. Maybe this place has become a warzone. My opinions.

  (1) The references to the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" are a legitmate way of making points. Yes, it may be offensive to theist. However, the theist need to deal with it. Just like the atheists need to learn to deal with people talking about salvation.

  (2) FHN makes some very valid points about the tone of the discourse. The title question "Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?" Addressing the tone of the discourse is completely relevant.

  (3) Now time for direct confrontation. Cofty, your behavior on this thread has really been poor. You have repeatedly engaged in personal attacks.

  I have said it before and I will say it again. (a) The atheist seem to engage in personal attacks more frequently than the theists. (b) The name calling is not conducive to spreading the word about TATT. It reinforces what the JW say about non-believers. What do you think a doubting JW will think when they stumble across this board?
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  Can anyone explain love?

  by mrhhome in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have had a variety of theist vs atheist debates on this forum.

  usually, it devolves (or evolves?

  ) into a debate on what can or cannot be proven.. so let's step back a second.

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  Not all "love" can be explained away with hormones and chemicals. If I am happy to see an old buddy who is grey and fat, I am certainly not motivated by any hormones. I doubt that I would be even if I was a woman.

  While I am intriqued by jgnat's idea of "native instinct to altruism" to explain "love for our neighbor", I disagree. In my experience, most of our natural experiences are selfish. I may be convinced that it is a learned response. Life is general better if you get along with your neighbor than if you are throwing stones at each other.
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  Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

  i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

  it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

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  rawe,

  I agreed with the following statement.

  Science is rooted in materialism, the "I believe what I can measure" sort. You are very right, this does put limits on what we can know and discover.

  I fully understand the scienctific process. I also have a good grasp of logic. However if something exists outside our currently understanding of "science", does that mean it does not exist? How does one explore it even with philosophy? Ultimately, you need to build on some basic tenets, and depending on how far one is reaching, those basic tenets may be difficult to prove.
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  Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

  i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

  it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

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  FlyingHighNow,

  I think that you put much more restrictions on the evangelist than the atheist.

  If an evangelist states that they believe XYZ is required for salvation, it is not their fault if it hurts someones opinion. They are stating their belief. If you do not agree with their position, why do you care?

  Calling someone names is just plain rude. I hold to my previous position. Over the years, I generally see atheist engaging in more name calling.
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  Is disagreeing with the GB rebelling against God?

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the other day an elder mentioned that not following the gb direction is the same as rebelling against god.

  this in harmony with the ominous tone set forth in the respect jehovah's authority video.

  in this thread i'll point out several gaping holes in that argument as time allows.. 1. the gb/fds does not speak "mouth to mouth" with god as did moses.. jehovah condemned and punished mariam for speaking against moses.

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  How does a top-down organization that claims to take a literal view of the Bible survive without any justification of their authority?
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  Is disagreeing with the GB rebelling against God?

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the other day an elder mentioned that not following the gb direction is the same as rebelling against god.

  this in harmony with the ominous tone set forth in the respect jehovah's authority video.

  in this thread i'll point out several gaping holes in that argument as time allows.. 1. the gb/fds does not speak "mouth to mouth" with god as did moses.. jehovah condemned and punished mariam for speaking against moses.

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  Blondie,

  Is that the sole basis that governing body claims authority? A lose analogy with the disciples?
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  Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

  i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

  it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

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  We are in agreement rawe. What is the difference between philosophy and religion?
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  Can anyone explain love?

  by mrhhome in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have had a variety of theist vs atheist debates on this forum.

  usually, it devolves (or evolves?

  ) into a debate on what can or cannot be proven.. so let's step back a second.

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  mrhhome

  LisaRose. Good story.
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  Is it just me or has this site become a Believer/Atheist warzone?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.

  i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.

  it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.

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  mrhhome

  Not all of its infinite nature is just size. jgnat's posts have explored the complexity of social interactions that have not been explained.