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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
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  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  Actually, I neglected one very important point. Yes, it is very different than the Jim Crow laws.

  The 14th amendment was a direct consequence of a civil war fought, in part, over the issue of slavery. The 14th amendment was explicitly intended to give blacks the same rights as everyone else. The Brown v the Board of Education decision was a natural and logical progression of that.

  The 14th amendment never was even remotely intended to apply toward's one sexuality. In the case of same sex marriage, there was no federal amendment, and quite the opposite, there was federal and state legistlation opposing it.

  ...of course...we live a period where everyone seems to think that the law should be set by whatever is trending on Google...

  ... it is a really, really bad precedent...
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  I don't think you know very much about gay people.

  Actually LisaRose, I do not think you know very much about gay people.

  The attempt to classify someone as "monogomous, homosexual" is biased. It is a hetrosexual's attempt to impose our notions of sexuality on them. The homosexuals that I knew did not fit neatly into categories of homosexual, bisexual, or tranvesticism. Neither did they fit neatly into the categories of monogomous or promiscous.

  They did not feel the need to be pigeon-holed into any of our definitions of sexuality. In that, I agree with them.
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  The remaining arguments fall along the following lines.

  (1) Because it is discrimination.

  Why is it wrong to deny a homosexual service, when a bank can deny a porn star service simply for his or her chosen profession? After all, why should we discriminate against he or she just because they used the gifts with which they were born to make a living? For that matter, why can we arrest a topless woman in a public place?

  ...the counter is ...

  (2) Because the majority decided that some sexual behavior is acceptable and others are not.

  Fine. I am all for majority rule, but the Surpreme Court overruled state laws established by a majority vote. In some cases, a direct majority vote by the general population.

  ...which bring us to the argument...

  (3) Sexual orientation is not a behavior.

  Why is it considered a behavior when a hetrosexual man is promicuous but a genetic predisposition when we talk about homosexuality?

  ...which brings us to the final argument...

  (4) Because a business does not have the same rights as an individual.

  The Supreme Court has consistently supported the notion of corporate personhold, which gives a corporation as a group of people many of the same constitutional protections that an individual has.

  ...which brings us to the final resort...

  (4) Name calling. The "just because" argument.

  Sorry folks. The majority may be swinging to your side (just barely and only in the last year) on this issue, but the logic fails.

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  ...and those of you throwing around terms like "haters" are obviously unable to engage in an intelligent debate...
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  What's more to blame- the WT or the bible?

  by keyser soze in

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  aren't they both just differen't variations of the same lie?

  the only difference is the scale on which their impact on humanity is measured.

  that, and the fact that the bible can exist without the wt, but not vice versa.. but at the end of the day, what's the difference between claiming to be the inspired word of god, or the one true religion?

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  mrhhome

  Those people would exist regardless..

  +1

  Could not have said it better.
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  Good. This conversation has gone exactly where I hoped.

  I concur with the statements above. The sexual relationship between two consenting adults is none of my business. As long as their actions do not affect me, their relationship is their business.

  [...I agree with the Clarence Thomas's dissent in the 2003 Lawerence v Texas decision which overturned Texas's sodomy laws. Essentially, he said that he would overturn the sodomy laws if he was on the Texas state legistlature, but the constitution did not give the Surpreme Court the authority to do so. In my opinion, he nailed that one...]

  Unfortunately, the LGBT community made it my business when they began suing other business's for refusing to service their same sex weddings.

  I completely support the "live and let live" philosophy, but it is a two-way street! I will respect your beliefs (even when I disagree), when you respect mine (even when you disagree). That is my position whether the issue concerns JW or LGBT.

  You cannot complain about how the JW treats apostates and then cheer somebody who sues the JW when they disagree with them. It is a complete double standard.
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  Cofty,

  Is this not a tautology?

  Tautology. Another good word. You are on a roll this week. I will have to remember that one.

  To answer your question, no. It is not.

  I have fielded some hard questions. You answer mine. Is promiciousity morally acceptable if it is in a mutually accepted open relationship?
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  KateWild

  Have you got any scientific stats for that to make you so confident?

  I am a man. I know of what I speak.

  Sex also then becomes mechanical and selfish, not a giving activity as it is in a loving relationship.

  Spoken like a woman.

  Of course, this begs the question. Is promiciousity morally acceptable if it is in a mutually accepted open relationship?
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  Quendi,

  His tolerance of others falls far short of acceptance.

  This is the critical difference between us. I can accept someone for who they are and even love them for it. That does not always mean that I will agree with them or always let them have their way. Maybe someday you will understand that.

  Have you told your black friends that you would adamantly support a business's right to actively discriminate against them, or have you hidden that belief under the banal platitudes you have offered here?

  The subject never came up. He is actually more conservative than I am. I would not be surprised if his position is similar to mine. Now that you ask, I must admit to being curious.

  Honestly when I see old friends, I do not waste time with circular debates. I am not going to bring up a potentially painful subject just to satisfy my intellectual curiousity. However if the subject ever comes up, I will pose the hypothetical to him.

  Your refusal to answer cofty's question spoke volumes, revealing your real feelings about race relations. How long would any self-respecting black person put up with your company upon learning your thinking about a business's right to discriminate?

  Wow. Did you just accuse me of not answering a question, and then criticize my answer to that question in the very next statement. Isn't that a self contradiction?

  That is why I slammed your so-called friendships with people in the groups you named. You have comforted yourself with the lie that since you can live with people with whom you disagree this is equivalent to being fair and just. That is another example of the shallow thinking which has characterized your responses.

  Whatever. I have been through thick-and-thin with some of these people. Some of them are even family. Obviously, not something you can understand.

  Ironically, I am glad that we had this conversation. Your thinking has given me insight into the JWs and ex-JWs in my life.

  I think your real fear is seeing how rapidly the political, cultural and social landscape of this country is changing.

  Yes, you are right on this front. The same sex marriage issue really is a side show. I am much more concerned about the libertine attitudes that this country is adopting (of which homosexuality is just a small part) and the unchecked growth of the federal government's power.
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  Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".

  persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.

  "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.

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  KateWild,

  There is a balance on the board and as long as that remains JWs when they leave will find their own path that suits them

  Well said. I agree absolutely.
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  JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

  i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

  i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

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  mrhhome

  Besty,

  Thanks for the honest answer. When my wife catches me screwing the busty young waittress, I'll tell her it is all OK. Besty said so...