Posts by kelsey007

and maybe those that have been verbally abused by bowen would love to be more involved in the plight of abuse victims but due to this abusive language find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation- they need to know that the motivations of mr bowen are good and due to personal attacks they are greatly saddened and hurt.

kelsey007

Maybe some here have fell victim to Mr Bowen's abusive speech. I am sure some have not, but others were attacked. And maybe those that have been verbally abused by bowen would love to be more involved in the plight of abuse victims but due to this abusive language find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation- they need to KNOW that the motivations of Mr Bowen are good and due to personal attacks they are greatly saddened and hurt. A great vehicle was started by Mr Bowen but offensive talk has brought personal pain to many- maybe not to you- but it has happened to others whose feelings are just as important as Mr Bowen's and his supporters.

Might I add that all ex-jws are at dif stages of recovery. The pain of some seem to never go away. We were all victims of the WT. Some were abused by individual persons in the WT and others were abused by being enslaved to the cult. Are the pains of any ex-jw any less than the pains of a sexual abuse victim? The pain of each one here is very real. A lack of compassionate speach by one who puts himself out to be a leader is very hurtful and disheartening to many who have been hoping for a vehicle to support. The disappointment shared by many over the abusive language used toward others by Mr Bowen and some of his supporters is just as real as the sympathy some express toward Mr Bowen's and the postition he is in.

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A House Divided

by IslandWoman in

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bill bowen has divided his own house.

most here supported his efforts and still do, what he has done is cause a fire among his own supporters here, his large army of friends here.

it's not rf supporters against bb supporters it's really silentlambs org.

kelsey007

traumahound maybe some here have fell victim to Mr Bowen's abusive speech. I am sure some have not, but others were attacked. And maybe those that have been verbally abused by bowen would love to be more involved in the plight of abuse victims but due to this abusive language find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation- they need to KNOW that the motivations of Mr Bowen are good and due to personal attacks they are greatly saddened and hurt. A great vehicle was started by Mr Bowen but offensive talk has brought personal pain to many- maybe not to you- but it has happened to others whose feelings are just as important as Mr Bowen's and his supporters.

Might I add that all ex-jws are at dif stages of recovery. The pain of some seem to never go away. We were all victims of the WT. Some were abused by individual persons in the WT and others were abused by being enslaved to the cult. Are the pains of any ex-jw any less than the pains of a sexual abuse victim? And should we ignore the feelings of others just to throw support at silentlambs.org?

Edited by - kelsey007 on 26 October 2002 17:58:24

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A House Divided

by IslandWoman in

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bill bowen has divided his own house.

most here supported his efforts and still do, what he has done is cause a fire among his own supporters here, his large army of friends here.

it's not rf supporters against bb supporters it's really silentlambs org.

kelsey007

IW that is one of the points I have tried so hard to make. His abusive language and similar language by some of the movements supporters have taken away from the movement itself. Not only have children been sexually abused in many cases but many are here on this forum because they feel that the WT abused them in other ways. To not have compassion for all ex-jws and thier plight- and to not respect others choices during thier recovery process- is cold hearted and makes some question the integrity and motivation of others.

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Stop The War in IRAQ!! (CSPAN)

by sf in

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take some time today people and tune in and educate yourselves a bit about this 'system of things'.. no war in iraq!!!.

no blood for oil!!.

skally

kelsey007

Amen pettygrudger!

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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

by bjc2012 in

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and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

that is all carl wanted.

yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

kelsey007

As a third generation now ex JW I can say that when someone stops attending meetings they are viewed as inactive and not considered in good standing.

Infact wednsday when such a person stays away from the meetings for extended periods the are generally encouraged, if not required, to be studied with for a time before being allowed fully back into the flock. The brainwashing must be put in full force before they are trusted again.

Edited by - kelsey007 on 26 October 2002 14:42:25

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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

by bjc2012 in

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and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

that is all carl wanted.

yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

kelsey007

tinkerbell I never said that he got what he deserved. My point was and is that since he has put himself in the public media he should be careful about what he says in a public forum. He has, due to the position he has put himself in, hurt many recovering ex-jws by his use of abusive language in public places.

As for Ray Franz not making such a statement of support that is his choice. He has not brought himself to this forum and has not tried to bring media attention to himself. Neither you nor I, I believe were privy to the private conversations between Mt Bowen and Mr Franz. Mr Bowen brought this private conversation to the publics attention in such a way that Mr Franz felt compelled to publicly defend his position. That should never have had to happen. Mr Bowen was wrong for having made the statements he did. He betrayed a trust- unless Mr Franz was arware of Mr Bowen intent to make the private conversation public.

Edited by - kelsey007 on 26 October 2002 14:37:54

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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

by bjc2012 in

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and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

that is all carl wanted.

yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

kelsey007

wednesday Bill Bowen quit the org 13 months prior to being df'd. He walked away. This is stated in his words quoted in the New York times. I have always wondered why, after having willingly walked away that he would put up the pretense of a fight against being df'd. Big dif. Ray Franz did not walk away- Bill Bowen did.

Please also kep in mind that Bowen made public claims of being a JW in good standing though he had left. No he never made an official statement of disassiciating himself he just quit. 13 prior to the congregation taking official action against him.

Edited by - kelsey007 on 26 October 2002 14:30:18

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Stop The War in IRAQ!! (CSPAN)

by sf in

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friends

take some time today people and tune in and educate yourselves a bit about this 'system of things'.. no war in iraq!!!.

no blood for oil!!.

skally

kelsey007

In the months just prior to 9-11 the Bush administration were engaged in active talks with the Taliban. These talks were in regards to an oil pipeline. When the soviets were engaging afganastan in a war the US helped to empower the taliban. This was done to US interest in this oil pipeline. Bin Laden was a god send to the oil hungry US. Basing himself in afaganastan at the time of 9-11 it made it very easy for the US to gain interantional support to do what they already wanted to do. The hypocracy of the US government is what stinks to high heaven. After the taliban was kicked out of power US leaders praised thier efforts of having freed the poor abused afgans. Interestingly enough the US had been aware for years that people were being abused and beheaded on soccor fields in afgan- but chose not to act out of concern of human rights- instead they chose to continue talks with the taliban in hopes of gaining control over the oil pipeline- to hell with the poor afgans. When Bush Sr chased Sadam out of Kuwait- again it was oil. The US bemoaned the fact that oil wells were left burning in waste by the Iraquis fleeing the area.

Not once has Sadam shown a propensity to use weapons of mass destruction against the US any more than N Korea. Though it was an Iraqui that attempted to kill Bush Sr that did not give reason to go to war. The Bushes hate Sadam more than they love thier own country. Prior to the crown prince of Saudi's visit to the Bush ranch in Texes early this year Iraq was not in the equation on the war against terror. The US is so locked up finacially with the oil rich saudi's that they will never be able to effectively fight thier war. Sadam makes for a nice distraction from real issues. He is better thrown from power by giving much aid to the poor Iraqui citizens who need the aid. Once they are empowered it will be much easier to get Sadam out of power with little or no loss of americans lives.

Who will replace sadam? Remember, the US not only empowered the taliban they also helped to empower sadam- or is history being rewritten on that one already? So who will we help put in power after sadam that will be our enemy later?

The war on terror is a unique war. The guilty died carrying out thier deeds on 9-11. The enemy is not a country. Our desire to kick someones ass as retaliation for 9-11 is going to be very costly and non productive. The US is out looking for an ass to kick. Saudi Arabia gave the US thier blessing to make sadam the target. That sanction was given on the Bush ranch earlier this year.