Yes IW the bowenites seem not to want to acknowledge why this all started- Let us forgive only those we decide to forgive- No longer driving on one way streets, it is nice to be able to have traffic going both ways and choose ones own direction on the street.
kelsey007
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Shoveling Snow
by IslandWoman insome have complained that the bill bowen/ray franz problem is being talked to death, that it's time to move on.
i think that's a little unfair and very unrealistic.
those that continue to comment, comment mostly because the "snow" keeps falling folks!
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Shoveling Snow
by IslandWoman insome have complained that the bill bowen/ray franz problem is being talked to death, that it's time to move on.
i think that's a little unfair and very unrealistic.
those that continue to comment, comment mostly because the "snow" keeps falling folks!
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kelsey007
IW little doubt that if you had called this the "I hate BB" thread 30 posters would have responded already- LOL or the "I hate Ray" thread.
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Will God intervine?
by kelsey007 inor is this life on earth only a testing or proving ground for an eternal life elsewhere?
as jw's we were taught that god will intervine in the world and bring the earth to a unified state under a theocratic government.
so, is man capable of maintaining the earth without intervention from a "higher source"?
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kelsey007
Well outoftheorg you made me feel you good today. At the very least I gave someone the opportunity the vent! I truly agree with you. It is a thought that comes to mind from time to time but I am not in the least overwhlemed by it. I feel that there is a greater power of sorts somewhere out there- at least I hope so. I also believe that each little action we do has an effect on others. But I am not a believer that our actions or inactions will change much in the big picture. Man has developed the best systems that he can and we enjoy what voice we have. Other than that we should enjoy our lives to the fullest as this is all that we know for a fact that we will ever have.
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Shoveling Snow
by IslandWoman insome have complained that the bill bowen/ray franz problem is being talked to death, that it's time to move on.
i think that's a little unfair and very unrealistic.
those that continue to comment, comment mostly because the "snow" keeps falling folks!
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kelsey007
IW One can not but help to notice that these threads you are refering to are the hottest threads here. Some may say that a dead horse is being beaten but given the popularity of the posts most active posters here must enjoy beating this dead horse. IMHO.
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Will God intervine?
by kelsey007 inor is this life on earth only a testing or proving ground for an eternal life elsewhere?
as jw's we were taught that god will intervine in the world and bring the earth to a unified state under a theocratic government.
so, is man capable of maintaining the earth without intervention from a "higher source"?
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Or is this life on earth only a testing or proving ground for an eternal life elsewhere? As JW's we were taught that god will intervine in the world and bring the earth to a unified state under a theocratic government. So, is man capable of maintaining the earth without intervention from a "higher source"? As the world is more closely knit and more populated than ever before in the recorded history of the planet will man be able to maintain this planet without destroying the planet and mankind? What is your thoughts?
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World War III Looming?
by kelsey007 inas this administrations (u.s.) seems intent on attacking iraq the north koreans have admitted violating a 1994 treaty banning thier production of nuclear arms.
as of today they have told japan that they have no intent of giving up thier arms.
that combined with a recent assasination of an american diplamat and other terrorist activities around the globe brings to mind how volatile world conditions are.
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kelsey007
As this administrations (U.S.) seems intent on attacking Iraq the North Koreans have admitted violating a 1994 Treaty banning thier production of nuclear arms. As of today they have told Japan that they have no intent of giving up thier arms. That combined with a recent assasination of an American diplamat and other terrorist activities around the globe brings to mind how volatile world conditions are. Will the Americans intent on policing the world esculate into a world war? With North Korea and Iraq intent on having weapons of mass destruction draw out other smaller or third world nations that may be developing such weapons? Where do you believe this is heading?
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Child Molestation (Poll)
by refiners fire indoes anyone know of incidents of child molestation outside of the witness org?
how many incidents do you know of?
details are not required (in fact not desirable), .
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kelsey007
At least once a week there is a news report about a child abuse case. I note this each time to watch and see if it is a JW related case. As of yet they have all been related to other churches, coaches and teachers. As others have noted here the problem is widespread.
I would have to ask: Since the WT says that in all jurisdictions that require reporting alledged abuse to the authorities that they indeed comply- are there cases pending where the congregation did not comply with such laws? Somewhere in a thread here I remember reading about a congregation that was disbanded (seems like it was in canada) due to pediphile issues. If my memory is correct can someone post a link to that story? Thank you!
Edited by - kelsey007 on 29 October 2002 13:51:17
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
Simon thanks for your input. Your words of reason are of comfort to those who care.
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
dragon my sports car is black and a convertable. And I am with you- to hell with the bus- I'll put the top down and do my own driving. Kind of tired of others driving for me anyway if ya know what I mean...
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
trauma- when certain things were posted here by bowen and some of his supporters I was so glad. I thought now everyone can see what I cannot share with them. Unlike Mr Bowen I respect the privacy of certain conversations I had with him. They were telling. But I was so dissapointed that even in the proof of lies some still praised the man's guts. I must say that got to me. It got to me because I felt that people remain blind. They want a cause so bad that they will blind themselves just like they did with the WT for years. Its like here we go again. SO what 1975 was not the right date. So what bill told a big one. Open your eyes trauma. The cause is good- the vehicle for the cause is bad. I want to get to canada. So I take the first ragged bus headed that way? I think not. I will wait on one that I believe will get me there. This bus aint going where you think its going trauma. Its taking on passengers that have a driver without a lisence.