Posts by kelsey007

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Watchtower is Re-Writing History!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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the watchtower society seems to have the power of re-writing history!

i got most of these quotes from http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com.

*** live forever book (1982 edition), page 179 ***.

kelsey007

Reading through this thread brought a question to mind. Why, after having left the WT, do we expend so much of our lives researching WT teachings? From the post that I have read it seems that many, like myself, have been away from the WT for many, many years. At what point do we get beyond the WT? At what point do we allow ourselves to not be consumed with WT issues?

Once we have seen that we do not agree with WT teachings and policy, once we have decided that the WT is a cult and once we have come to terms that this organization is not for us- why do we continue to look for more dirt?

After having left the org I delved into all sorts of religions and teachings. It became clear to me that they all have "dirt" and all have re-written their stand on issues and certain parts of thier history. Clearly I could dig and dig and find troubling things about all organized religion- but short of writing a book or a thesis for publication- why would I want to keep on and keep on?

As has been brought out in relation to post about silent lambs and BB- "enough is enough". If I dared to continually raise issues of things written that were not 100% true or at the least were misleading some members of the board here would pounce on the post and remind me that silent lambs is doing something and Mr Bowen is imperfect- he has a lot of responsibility- mistakes will and have been made- he did apologize for a "misunderstanding"- IMHO it seems to be a "one way street". However, back to point-

How many years have you guys been away from the WT and do you believe that one day you will get beyond the WT expereince and no longer feel the need to dig dirt on the WT?

I ask this question out of sincerity- this is not sarcasm- I really want to know how ex-jws feel in this regard.

As for my part I will say that once I felt comfortable with my decision to stay away from the WT and that I know longer held to their beliefs and policies I no longer felt the need to dig and dig to find more and more wrong with the WT.

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Professional help is available!

by kelsey007 in

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many professional organizations are in place that can aid in all aspects of child abuse, including therapy and even litigation.

one in georgia, funded by united way, is a good example- there are professionals in such organizations whose aim is to aid and who are not fed out of anger against an organization or others.. .

http://www.unitedwayatl.org/211_database/helpbook/uwma0955ac.html

kelsey007

Many professional organizations are in place that can aid in all aspects of child abuse, including therapy and even litigation. One in Georgia, funded by United Way, is a good example- there are professionals in such organizations whose aim is to aid and who are not fed out of anger against an organization or others.

http://www.unitedwayatl.org/211_Database/helpbook/UWMA0955AC.html

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Sex abuse in religion

by kelsey007 in

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the article supplied through this link gives ample reason that laws must be enacted and used to fight child abuse.

the reality is that the wt is just average or maybe even below average in the amount of child abuse and cover up that exist.

this is the reality.

kelsey007

The article supplied through this link gives ample reason that laws must be enacted and used to fight child abuse. The reality is that the WT is just average or maybe even below average in the amount of child abuse and cover up that exist. This is the reality.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html

Edited by - kelsey007 on 10 October 2002 21:38:1

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Bowen & Franz What Gain?

by Guest 77 in

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what did we gain by posting the bowen and franz affair?

has franz ever posted on this forum, if so, why & where?

guest 77. .

kelsey007

Shame on the people for not considering the victims!

Exactly- Bill Bowen think about the victims before you post and discredit others!

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I don't often initiate posts. Instead ...

by JWinSF in

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... i'm usually one who responds to topics that interest me.

yesterday, i wanted to respond to certain posts, but needed to step back and wait until things became more clear to me.

i didn't use an attention grabbing subject line for this post [e.g., something referring to raymond franz, bill bowen, silentlambs] since my purpose was basically to express my feelings, whether or not anyone wanted to read them or respond to them.. i watched with bewilderment the recent accusations flung against raymond franz and the comments made by some supporting the accusations both here and on the yahoogroups email list.

kelsey007

I agree with dragon. Laws must be changed so that the needed tools are there to force changes. As to personalities- well Mr Bowen has made himself the "personality" of silent lambs. When he post here he uses the handle "silentlambs". He sets the flavor of the movement and his words and actions set public opinion.

I may support the intent of many organizations but refuse to participate due to the "way" that they conduct their business. That is my stand here. Lawmakers must be urged to deal with this state by state. When laws are in place then effective court cases can be lodged to force changes in WT policy. Accusations and sensationalism only feeds the anger of victims- where are the ones that are seeking to help the victims get beyond this? Where is the network of professional therapist that can make a diference in the quality of life for the victims? It to me has always looked like an organization (SL) that feeds on anger.

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Bowen & Franz What Gain?

by Guest 77 in

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what did we gain by posting the bowen and franz affair?

has franz ever posted on this forum, if so, why & where?

guest 77. .

kelsey007

I agree the whole thing is a waste- except in that hopefully in some way silent lambs may be more discreet in the information they share with the public. The dissapointment I have had, that I believe is shared with several others, is that Silent Lambs seems to focus on throwing negatisms around freely. Hopefully, if read, some of the post critisizing such strong statements made by silent lambs will bring some balance into thier approach.

I still think that all that are dispensing information from silent lambs and their activities shoud slow down, read carefully what they are about to share, let others critique the wording and flavor and give attention as to what and how the words will effect the efforts on behalf of abuse victims. Why would such inflamatory allegations be dispensed so freely? Why would those who are acvitve in the aid of abuse victims want to keep using harsh words against any who might disagree with an action of someone in the movement? Silent Lambs needs a PR person. One levelheaded person or a committee should decide and dispense each piece of information shared with the public- whether that public is the internet or other media.

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Ted Jaracz - the accused

by Nathan Natas in

at the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .

i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.

there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.

kelsey007

Unless I read this "transcript" wrong I do not see where this woman made the accusations as they were expressed in earlier post. In my mind, if I read this "trascript" correctly, this woman was missquoted in post that were made right after the march. That is a darn shame, if I read this correctly. Why don't you silent lambs guys SLOW DOWN and get your sotries correct before making any public declarations? This mimics what Bill Bowen seems to have done with the alledged words of Ray Franze.....

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The Problem Around Here is

by out4good3 in

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that some people seem to think they are the authority on everything and feel like they should always get the last word.

i try not to get involved in the flaming that goes on around here by checking my ego at the door and thats not the reason for this post anyway, but it's my experience that all of, without exception, jw are like this.

the perceived arrogance that they alone are in possession of the only truth seems to compell them to keep an argument going even when they are clearly on the losing side so that they can be sure to get the last word in.

kelsey007

The only problem I saw around here is the desire of some to spread untruth about others. Other than that I kind of enjoy the open debate type of forum. It is a pleasant thing to see people that feel free to enjoy their freeness of speech-

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Is Ray Franz Great or What?

by silentlambs in

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this evening i had a nice conversation with ray and we discussed our previous conversation.

while our previous conversation was remembered differently in certain areas we agreed that we should be peaceful with one another, i apologized for any misunderstanding and decided as a result to remove any negative comments made about him.

i do believe our discussion was productive and will help us both to be more supportive of one another in the future.

kelsey007

Islandwoman, are those things on the silent lambs site? If so could you provide a link that will take us straight to them?

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Let's Hear It For Chesterfield!!!

by Windchaser in

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chesterfield, where they know how to make steeples and phallic symbols are nothing to scoff at!

kelsey007

On that note all I can say is No Cigar! LOL