Posts by kelsey007

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

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i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

princess i did not say that is what you said. That is what I say. I have had dealings that to me prove that is the case. He lost his way before he started this thing. The abuse victims came to him like 9-11 came to bush- good timing for another agenda. I know more than I dare state here or elsewhere- but I know what I know-

I will not lower my standards to his level by sharing some things that were told to me in confidence- but I will warn all that I can that there is something wrong with this picture- open thine eyes and see the light for thyself!

Edited by - kelsey007 on 28 October 2002 1:35:9

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

Only the fact that several here have stated that he told them that- but thats not enough I guess. He said it. He said it to me. And others.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

princess that is my point. Bowen is USING the victims for an agenda that some are not aware of.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

Trauma- this just proves my point. For he has made the statement of his desire to bring down the WT. Maybe he got wise that it wast a good idea to SOUND that way but he did state his desire. That my frined is a fact for I had several conversations with the man early in his game.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

It has been clearly stated by myself and others that Bowen has a personal vendetta against the WT. He is using the abuse victims as a vehicle for his agenda. Having a family member that was an abuse victim of her ms jw dad I am for a good effort in their behalf. Mr Bowens conduct has well born out that his agenda is not pure. It is well doccumented. I am not the only one that has experienced his verbal abuse and true stated purpose. These silent lambs will be further hurt by this man's feeding into thier anger. This is not good or theraputic. Dragon has stated this well. Bowen has motives that are not good for this cause. What more can I say. In one breath he claims compassion in the next he throws abusive speech toward others. I simply sound a wake up call for all the praise the great guts of bowen crowd.

Other than throwing support to this liar- what have you done trauma? Normally I would not ask that but you asked that of me. Have you ever sat with a relative and comfortated her for the abuse that she had as a jw? Did you ever have to bury a 32 year old abuse victim in your family? And when sharing this experience with the likes of the great bowen did you have to endure ridiclue from him as you poured your heart out? Were you bashed by him and his supporters as your son lay in a hospital on life support? Accused of fraud by announcing such? No trauma- my expereince has been that bowen is a heartless sob with no compassion for any but that will serve his agenda. I will spout off on this every time I hear anyone praise the guts of bill bowen. I know what the man is capable of. I doubt you do.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

No one here is doing the WT a favor. Some here are trying to enlighten others that Bowen has other motives and his words and actions have born this out. If his sole intent was to be an advocate for abuse victims he would expend zero amount of time trying to discredit others. He is on a mission that only USES the abuse victims to HIS advantage. On the surface it looks good- but it aint good at all.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

What have I done trauma hound? I have warned them of another cultish liar where they are putting false hope- just as they did with the WT- thats what I have done.

What have you done? Forgotten the lies told here? How long before you catch on? Will it take you as long as it did to catch on to the WT fraud? OHHH Yes at least Bill is doing something. SO he made some mistakes like falsely accuse people of things. He is under stress. Trauma I was lied about. I understand Ray Franz was lied about. So ya going to go on supporting the efforts of another liar? The WT wasnt enough for you? Go for it my friend. How many of these 5,000 or more victims is he lieing about? Or do you not care about the ones that get hurt by this mission. Yes right now they feel good. They are getting attention. You pay a whore she'll give you attention for a few minutes too.

Edited by - kelsey007 on 28 October 2002 0:47:20

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

Princess the lies have been shown. WIthout any doubt it has been proven that lies have been told by this group. I know- lies were told about me and disproven by friends and people that have known me. In my earliest of conversations (telephone) Mr Bowen said in plain english that he desired to destroy the WT. Those that care to buy his propaganda are the same sheep they have always been. They have longed for the days that they had a leader and in Bowen they found one. They praise his guts for they have none. They have never come to terms with the fact that they CAN have a life without a cause or a leader. Lets all praise the wonderful works of Bowen. Let us allow him his human nature while condemning all others for having feelings and emotions. So it will be. Let them have their leader and praise his great guts for being the stand up kind of cracker that he is. Oh how I wish that I had the guts to announce my own disfellowshipping at the KH- interupting the meeting that I have not attended in 13 months to make a devine fool of myself. Then let me depart my inspired speach and squeel my tires to let them know that I HAVE GUTS. By god I will throw a stuffed lamb at your head I will. I will distribute the stuffed lamb to all parts of the globe. I will call others chicken and gutless for not throwing lambs with me. I will discredit all who dare deny me my way of doing things. And yes I will lie. I will deny my intent to destroy the WT. To hell with all that do ot want to squeel their tires with the likes of Bill Bowen. Let us praise our worthy leader. Let us all go to the local KH and squeel our tires in support of the silent lambs. Let us all throw accuations out loudly and to hell with those who ask for proof!

This time my tires squeal even louder as I circle out of the bowen temple-

As you travel down the one way street a set of lights headed your way may blind you from seeing-

Edited by - kelsey007 on 28 October 2002 0:29:12

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

kelsey007

Kelley your post brought it all together for me. When due to personal family issues I refused to get involved with Bowen he accused me of not having guts. He also bragged about how he was not scared to stand up against the big bad WT. . This in spite of the fact that he was made aware of the fact that my son was in the hospital on life support....

So when I hear someone rave about Bill's guts it kind of pisses me off.

Sometimes guts are confused with stupidity.

Kelsey squeeling tires away from this thread with loud mufflers.....

Edited by - kelsey007 on 27 October 2002 23:55:58

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Bethel orientation

by freedom96 in

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i was reading some recent postings that talked about the orientation meeting at bethel, and how the negative things were not to be reported back at the congregations.. now that we are free from it all, how about sharing some of these tales?

kelsey007

BTW onacruse both my dad and my uncle served under the Knor rulership. They both died inactive.

If one has not had the bethal experience they do not know the true meaning of WT slave. Did you ever wonder about the servants in your congregation that bragged about being a bethalite- but they left as soon as they could without making waves?

Edited by - kelsey007 on 27 October 2002 23:46:33