Posts by shamus

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

shamus

SWORD OF JAH!

YOUR WATCHTOWER SOCIETY SAYS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DIE FOR TALKING WITH US! BOY, DOES THE TRUTH HURT. YOU CANNOT EVEN RESPOND TO ME, AND YOU SHOW HOW MUCH OF A COWARD YOU REALLY ARE. YOU ARE DEAD UNLESS YOU CONFESS YOUR SINS TO YOUR ELDERS IN YOUR HALL.

DO YOU FINALLY SEE WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING TO YOU IN LIKE THE LAST 2 POSTS? WHY DON'T YOU DISFELLOWSHIP JESUS, TOO. WE KNOW YOU ARE WRONG, AND YOU KNOW IT TOO. YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A COWARD BY NOT FOLLOWING YOUR OWN ADVICE AND SEEKING OUT SPIRITUAL COUNCEL FROM YOUR ELDERS. YOU ARE GOING TO DIE AT ARMAGEDDON.

Do you hear me now? Isn't that the most stupidest thing you have ever heard? Don't be so bloody thick-headed. I would have told on you in as a jehovah's witness if I knew that you were on this website, as would

EVERY ONE OF YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS RIGHT NOW.

GO BACK TO LAMER SCHOOL OR WAKE UP!

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Jesus Disfellowshipped?

by shamus in

jw
friends

did you know, for those of you who try to talk us back into your "religion" that you are assosiating with apostates????

did you know that you are going to die at armageddon for questioning the wts and coming to this website?????.

you can either confess your sins to your elders, and live, or keep quiet, and die.

shamus

So who are the modern day scribes and pharisees?

Hmmmm....

The scribes and pharisees thought that they were above everyone else...

Hmmmmm.....

It leads one to only one conclusion.

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

shamus

LMAO!

Don't geeks like this get banned?

Sounds like a typical congregation idiot to me.

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

shamus

Uh - sorry swordofjah -

I was not ridiculing you. Just giving you a point blank expression of what is going to happen to you if you don't confess to your elders. Be honest, swordofjah, they don't strongly recommend that you do not come to these sites - they insist, and, if you told anyone in your congregation, you would be shown the door. They would all call you APOSTATE. You do not seem apostate to me, even though you hold on to the teachings that you were taught, right?

The choice is again yours - either go confess to the elders, and be saved, and never come back here - or keep silent, and die at armageddon. It is your choice. Jesus called people scribes and pharisees and did not get disfellowshiped - why should you?

Please don't call us horrible people when you yourself choose to come here. You hide behind cyberspace, just like all of us, really. But, you are going to die at armageddon. Doesn't that seem totally stupid to you? After all the work you have done in your congregation?

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Jesus Disfellowshipped?

by shamus in

jw
friends

did you know, for those of you who try to talk us back into your "religion" that you are assosiating with apostates????

did you know that you are going to die at armageddon for questioning the wts and coming to this website?????.

you can either confess your sins to your elders, and live, or keep quiet, and die.

shamus

Did you know, for those of you who try to talk us back into your "religion" that you are assosiating with APOSTATES????

Did you know that you are going to die at armageddon for questioning the WTS and coming to this website?????

You can either confess your sins to your elders, and live, or keep quiet, and die. THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.

Does that sound reasonable to you?????

Would Jesus have been disfellowshipped when he called scribes and pharisees hypocrites, because their teachings were wrong?????

Maybe people who come here to try to talk us back into this idiodic religion would be better served by going somewhere else. I am shocked that you are here, doing this. Believe it or not, most of us were in "good standing" like you at one time, and made the choice to leave. Maybe you should consider that, too! Something to think about.... but until then...

Remember that you are going to die at armageddon until you confess your sins to your elders. How dare you question the WTS?

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

shamus

I am not in good standing, but inactive. I have not been disfellowshipped or disassosiated. I was pretty close to becoming an Ministerial Servant, before I got tired of the nonsense with my "loving" brothers and sisters and left. So, you can listen to my answers if you want, or not. Whatever. I went by the "party: line of the WTS, which is clearly laid out there. Getting it from some weirdo who is obviously not too stable like that guy is up to you.

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

shamus

Boy - thanks for clearing that up.

Swordfish - do you realize that you are being APOSTATE for coming to this site? I want you to really think about that. Tell your local elders what you have been doing, and see what happens. You will get booted out of your religion so fast that your head would spin, PERIOD. "helping" people here get back into the truth is resulting in you being killed at armageddon unless you confess your sins to your elders - GET IT? I hope that you do, because it makes no sense to me. REMEMBER - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Does that sound pretty harsh? That is the truth of what JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES teach. So, get busy confessing, or get busy leaving. Its your choice.

Brian.

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Under what circumstances would u or did u shun?

by wednesday in

we talk a lot about df and shunning ,and our hatred for these practices.

thinking back on your congregation, were there people that u felt deserved to be shunned?

under what circumstances would u have "marked" an individual?

shamus

Wednesday,

Oh - you took the words right out of my mouth! I was an exact duplicate of you... wanting to fit in... being horrible to people who were only going through troubled times. To this day it still bothers me, the way that I judged people, and treated them like crap. God help someone who misses meetings like 2 weeks in a row. Everyone would end up calling them "bad assosiation", like me. DISGUSTING. Jesus worked on earth to "build up" people, and assosiated freely with sinners. I was as far from christlike as you can get, and my conscience will bother me for years to come yet. I was so foolish to buy into that philosophy.

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My DF'd brother needs help!

by be wise in

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friends

my brother whos dfd turned down a blood transfusion when he had an accident, its a good job he didnt seriously need it, although he did lose a lot of blood.

see the control this society has on people who havent questioned.

he hasnt thought any of it through and is still controlled by a lot of it subconsciously.

shamus

My thoughts are certainly with you.....

I would be still a bit freaked about taking blood - just because of all the diseases that can be in it. Certainly, I don't blame you for not taking blood.

Sorry to hear that you got DF'd, but, this is part of your learning experience in life after that religion. You will see after a while that they use mind control to keep you in it - far, FAR from Jesus teachings. Everything that you have heard about other religions is completely biased, and usually dead wrong. I am not saying that other religions are correct, either.

My advice to you is to log onto this and other websites and see for yourself. These so called "APOSTATE" websites are not that at all. They are people from all different circumstances expressing their individual ideas. Some you may agree with - some not. But we all share a common thread - that this religion is not correct in its teachings, and tears families apart by controlling minds through fear. That is what the Pharisees used to do.

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

shamus

I think that people should respect lurkers here, and not put them down so much. It is very difficult for them, no doubt, to come to this website and get some answers to their questions. It is easy to riducule someone in this forum, especially when some of you have suffered through so much, but it still does not make it really right. I know that JW's answers are somewhat silly at times, but I would have made the same comment if I was here and still part of the religion. (thank goodness I am not)

Anyways, I will answer your questions - the ones that I can answer.

Q1. JW's believe that they need god's holy spirit to understand scripture. They also need the help of "The Faithful + Descreet Slave", that being their visible organization. There is obviously tons of evidence to discount this theory!

Q2. No. They cannot question doctrines - they can have friendly "But I thought that it would be this way" kind of talks. If they do not understand something (like if something is unscriptual / makes no sense), they must "Trust In Jehovah". No, there is no reason for you to ever decide to leave the religion unless you disassosiate yourself.

Q3. They don't know what his name is - Jehovah or Yaweh. It could be something totally different! They recognize that fact and call him Jehovah because it is the name most used, in their opinion, in the past.

Q4. I have NO IDEA on that one.

Q5. What do you mean? CURRENTLY? They did teach in the 80's, early 90's, or hint to, that the 20th century would not be reached before armageddon. But, they said probably. Now who knows what they are thinking. It is supposed to be the generation who saw 1914, but it gets quite confusing there.

Q6. I have no idea on this one either. Would be interested to hear some answers from those who went through that.

Q7. I have no idea on that one, either! They have taught some pretty bizarre things in the past, so I would not put it past them.

Q8. No. They believed it was the start of God's kingdom in heaven - or so I think...

Q9. The answer is pretty blurry. They are supposedly following his guidance through the bible and through prayer on how to run things. You can make your own decision from there as to what it means... I don't know what you mean of the other question there - and thirdly, they believe that the truth keeps getting "brighter and brighter", and will change their minds on doctrines when they feel that doctrines are incorrect.

Q10. No idea.

Q11. No idea.

These are the doctrines as I remember them - they make a pretty convincing case at first, especially if you have no knowledge of the bible like I had. Eventually, you can see that scriptures do contradict each other in places, and you need to make your own judgement on those issues. Personally, I feel that they are wrong - as do most here, obviously. They use scripture to controll your every thought, and, if they are wrong, they just go "Whoops! We were wrong! sorry guys - if you were DF'd for a siin that is not really a sin anymore, you should have been faithful anyways.... utter nonsense. Any true christian would have stood up to different teachings like the Apostle Paul did, and like Job did.