belbab; oh, I'm happy to believe you... it was just there was a thread a while back where the olderst poster was 63, and you were posting then, but obviously just missed the thread...
Abaddon
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Abaddon
In real life, man-man platonic friendships and woman-woman platonic relationships have different dynamics.
Guys fall out, but if blows up and is over.
Women work differently. They are far more socially aware than men, and their relationships with other women are more complicated as a result.
See the pattern of behaviour in a school yard. Boys who are friends and fall out have a fight, and solve the problem. Girls who are friends and fall out instigate a whole set of social operations to put the person they have fallen out with on the outside of the social circle.
It's a stereotype, but it's the only one I have which fits watching bust-ups like this take place on boards; they almost always involve women at the core, although obviously men get involved too, often acting out self-appointed roles, or being pushed into them by clever social grooming on the part of the females involved.
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sorry if you missed me.
by refiners fire ingeez.
i sure hope you dont think i been hiding all day.
really, i havent.
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Abaddon
Refiners; I have clearly, chapter and verse, gone over with you previously why I have certain reservations with your behaviour.
The posts are there, with URL's to htreads where this behaviour has been evidenced.
You have not answered the questions implicit in these posts; why do you appear to do what you accuse others of doing.
So, this, "I don't know what's going on, poor me" post, doesn't impress.
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Ray Franz is still a slave
by sleepy inray franz is still a slave!
(he seems a nice bloke though).
after reading the other post about franz today i though i'd like to talk about something that i feel about franz which can be said about many ex-witnesses.. you are still slaves of men!.
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Abaddon
ChristFollower;
My presupposition is that God exists, and the Bible is his inspired word. All thinking stems from that.
I respect your right to be an athiest, but it is pointless to ridicule those that believe. What does that solve?"
I think presuppositions are worthy of ridicule, especially if they are indefensable with the evidence at hand. What about people who presuppose that if a woman 'dresses like that', she 'must want it', 'even if she says no'? That's worthy of ridicule, and any other presuppoisitons, even if less offensive, are also due some degree of ridicule. It might not 'solve' anything automatically, but occasionally it might make someone think about their presuppositions.
I had a presupposition once, that god existed and the Jehovah's Witnesses had the truth. I have since found there is evidence for neither of these presuppositions.
You say;
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. The WT is an evil organization. It is a fallacy to then reject the Bible because of what those evil men did and said.
And that is another of your presuppositions. It is just living in a world where you hand pick 'facts' to suit your beliefs. I, and many like me, undertook a good deal of study, both biblical, scientific and historic, and underwent a great deal of soul-searching before coming to our conclusions. To assume that we have just done this out of bitterness, rather than as a result of hard study, is to be both wrong and insulting.If you want to belive in god and the infallability of the Bible, fine. Don't try to make out other people to be fools to support your faith though.
Nemesis;
There is the problem of the atheists abandoning the deity concept, and then many go right ahead and apply it to humans—then whose slave would they be?
Well, there is a big difference that no amount of words or posturing can rub out. God cannot be proven to exist. Society can (unless you want to subscribe to the views of a particulary unsavoury type of politician). Whilst society may not be infallable, if certainly is there, and is a far better thing to put ones faith in than a concept which may have its origin in a fear of the dark and unexplained natural phenomena. Also, society allows for a certain latitude in one's behaviour and conduct, within broad constrainsts. These constrainsts tend to be narrow and rerstrictive in religions, especially fundamentalistic religions, and in the case of fundamentalist religions often seek to impose a set of beliefs or opinions on non-believers without the support of facts that would be acceptable in a court of law.It seems ironic that those who have left the concept of God and go for evolution then go forth and put all their faith in the same humans who are claimed to have made up this God concept in the first place. If there is no God, or gods then why accept “societies” morals, values, or judgements when you know according to evolution that “all is vanity and meaningless”—to quote Solomon. Society has now become their new deity and many cannot see the irony of that.
As I believe this to be the case, your entire arguement thus far is just opinion; you're welcome to yours, and I ask you to present facts to support it as I have done to support mine.
The next paragraph I will have to disect more thoroughly;
Surely the most logical stance to take would be to class yourselves as gods, and only view your own values, morals, and concepts as truth—all else is deception.
Straw man arguement. Who said we should do this? You. What are you ignoring? The way that society develops rights and wrongs, and the way that the majority of people in a society subscribe to these values. If you want to have an arguement, it helps if you are argueing against something someone has actually put forward, rather than something you have put up to knock down.Some other threads refer to societies making up the concept of gods for their own self-preservation of the psyche, in their opinion, showing the fallibility of human reasoning and psychology. But the worrying thing is that they then go forth and put their faith in their new deities, the men in white coats [scientists], or philosophers and all the other human areas that are just as contaminated with fallibilities, corruption, and outright deceit.
As stated previously, you conveniently ignore the fact, that whilst these people you rail against may indeed be fallable (as were the goatherds, fishermen, visionaries (well, thy call people who hear voices something different nowadays, but I'm being nice) and political despots who wrote the Bible), they exist. I would rather believe in the accumulated knowledge of infallable men that develops over time, then the speculated knowledge of a god that cannot be proved.Why return to the human view when they [evolutionists] claim that was the view that cause all this “religion nonsense” in the first place. Letting meaningless accidental entities [humans] tell you what right, wrong, or morals are, is so ironic when they are the very cause of these god[s] concept in the first place. Why swap a divine perfect incorruptible eternal being [God] for a stupid meaningless glorified monkey [human]? If there were no God above then human society would be the very worst place of all to get your morals and values, as they are the ones many evolutionists have just being pointing out how screwed up they are for inventing morals and God[s] in the first place!
A long time ago people made up god to explain things. The arguementation was along the lines of "It's what I say, do it!". These people you continue to rail against can enter into structured reasoned arguementation, present facts, etc.. Thus your contention is just empty word, unfounded in fact. There is NO comparison.What can an evolutionist offer us that is better than Jesus as an example or morals, integrity, and goodness?
What has that question got to do with anything? More straw man arguements. Evolutionist=scientist. Jesus=possibly real religious leader. What has a scientist got to offer that is better than what a two-thousand year dead person who may have never lived has got to offer us? EASY.Facts.
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I'm the happiest apostate in the whole USA
by Mindchild inshine on me sunshine, walk with me world.
it's a skippedee-dooda day!.
good morning, hello sunshine.
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Abaddon
Mindchild! Quit bogarting the spliff man!
*starts rolling another*
*distractidly turns on HiFi and presses play, at which, conveniently, the sounds of Bob Dylan's "Everybody Must Get Stoned" fills the air*
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Death and Forgiveness
by Mommie Dark inmy father died wednesday night.
he's been bedridden, paralyzed, and tube fed for nearly five years, so it was more release than tragedy.. those of you who know my story will understand the miserable mix of emotions his passing has caused.
the whole guilt and forgiveness issue shoved itself right up my nose into my forebrain.
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MD; I'm so sorry for your loss, sadness and conflict. Best wishes from me and Delilah.
Love, Gyles
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Wishing everyone a happy weekend!
by YoYoMama inwell i'm off of work for the weekend.
i hope everyone enjoys their time off (if not working this weekend).
enjoy time with the family.
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Abaddon
YoYo Mama; thank you for such a genuine post. It was touching. And, although I am a sarcastic bastard (ooh, there's a thought, can you be deactivated for a personal attack on yoursefl), see, I do mean that.
Obviously I disagree; the truth need not hide, and there are times, you know, where you have had to 'hide' here, when presented with information that you could not dispute that conflicted with your worldview. But I also realise that whilst at some level, you may have this intellectual realisation, it has not fermented enough through the fibre of your being to touch your heart. And in your heart, you are still a Witness.
Whilst I cannot really wish you luck with regard to being re-instated, I can certainly say I hope it works out well for you in the end.
And wouldn't it be nice if our posts were always this constructive?
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I'm the happiest apostate in the whole USA
by Mindchild inshine on me sunshine, walk with me world.
it's a skippedee-dooda day!.
good morning, hello sunshine.
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Abaddon
*looks round*
*shrugs*
*smiles*
*rolls spliff*
*passes to Mindchild*
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Where does the Ransom fit into the Alien agenda?
by Nimrod indoes christ's ramsom cater for extraterestials?
during his three days death he visited the spirits in prison who came to earth during noah's day, as in jude 1. the word angel is an old english word for 'angle' which means 'the keepers of the angles' and are also extra-terrestials, hence aliens.
in the bible book of genesis 11:7 god said "let 'us go down' to confuse their languages".
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Abaddon
Like I said on another thread, it was a very good call by logi...
However, you don't seem to write the same way... although I've been wrong before in detecting different writing styles...
See, we can be civil...
People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...
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SAVE ROE NOW!!!
by Valentine indear friends of reproductive freedom,.
george w bush and his right-wings friends are quietly pursuing their domestic agenda while the nations attention is focused on international terrorism.. bush's attacks on women's reproductive freedom continue.. examples;.
1. on his first day in the oval office,bush re-instated the global gag rule,which takes family planning funds from organizations that even mention the option of abortion to their patients,risking womens lives overseas.. 2. bush has promised to re-visit the food and drug administration's approval of ru-486.and anti-abortion forces in congress have already introduced a bill to limit it's availability.. 3. with the expected retirement of 3 supreme court justices ,including sandra day o'connor,who is often the critical swing vote on abortion rights issue,bush has made it clear that he will nominate the most adamant opponents of abortion and civil rights.. the bush administration is committed to strategies that limit life saving stem cell research,criminalize abortion providers,reduce the availability of birth control and deny funding of health reproduction education in the schools.. what better way to take on the christian coalition and ultra-right leaders and movements,than to use your voice to speak up now!!.
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Abaddon
rhett says;
"What issues have I not responded to? What pressing topics have I not answered?"
1/ Your comparison of a early-term fetus to newly born human being; what proof do you have for this assertion?
2/ What to do with the 'unwanted' babies if they were not aborted.
3/ Who would pay for this?
4/ The disruption and damage to the lives of their parent/s, who might have had the right number of children. or had children at the right time instead, but were forced to have them at the wrong time, or to have too many.
5/ The lasting damage done to the human beings born as a result of a 'no abortions' policy, knowing they were born just because of a law, and then shipped off to a home. This would probably a large institutioinalised care facility, as the first few years of no abortions would fill the back-log of couples seeking children and thereafter would be far larger than the number of couples seeking children to adopt.
Not only have you failed to prove what you say is right, you have failed to describe how the reprecussions of your opinion would be dealt with.
Remember, you can think what you like, but if you want other people to think the same, you have to prove your point.
Oh, ANSWER THE POINTS, don't just repeat yourself, or I'll not bother replying to you.
People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...