Well, if Morgan Feeman or Alanis Morrisette ever ask me to snuff someone, I'll know what to do...
Abaddon
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God could NEVER convince me he exists. Weird...
by AlmostAtheist init just dawned on me, and i'm really a little put out over it.
i was reading alanf's comments about vinny and his willingness to sacrifice children if god told him to.
alan suggested any fundamentalist christian should agree he would, and vinny did in fact agree.
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Parthogenesis: How do creationists explain this?
by Crumpet ini read this article in the paper on the train to work this morning (helped to keep me eyes of ladies feet and ankles) and was amazed as i never knew this before.. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=50123&in_page_id=34.
certain species can actually get pregnant and give birth without any make interaction.
if this doesnt support evolution as the most scientifically accountable theory of our existence what does?!.
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Abaddon
Holy Mary 4ucker of Sharks!
He's not the Messiah, he's a very nautical bouy...
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Alan F
You are quite right. Vinny is not a poltroon. Vinny is a willing baby killer for the Lord.
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Abaddon
The only outcome of this thread is that Vinny and Perry will carry on embarrassing the kind of Christians I'm happy to be friends with by showing just what some forms of Christianity can do to people, as long as we keep replying to them.
Thus, this thread has educational value... a little late for Vinny and Perry, but there you have it... although I am sure that others also find their moralising, posturing and inability to give any straight or substantial answer as funny as I do, which is why I think other people (like me) are still keeping this going - it's not as though any of us think they will actually come up with answers, is it?
Vinny, you utter poltroon, not only are you avoiding those questions I asked you (amongst others), you are failing to give me the 'spanking' you have boasted about.
I have noticed that Perry has avoided answering me once in any thread of late... maybe he is too high and mighty... or has finally learnt from experience,
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Perry
I have received IM comments regarding this thread from long time posters who do wish that there was more openess on this board toward belief in God.
I think you will find that gods with belief systems that don't require you to disavow the evidence around us about the origin of the world, and that are not represented by lying, Pharasitical, self-rightous blowhards, get significantly beter reception than you or your monkey.
You are not god, you do not represent god, and very few people are interested in your self-rightous humbug.
There certainly is vast reason to suspect God's existence.
For someone as informed about evolutionary biology as you are, you have to believe in god as you don't understand the thory well enough to realise how well it explains things, and lack the faith to believe that god may just have made the world differently and more magesticaly than the silly way a bronze-age goatherd imagined it.
Many millions claim as I do direct confirmation of his existence through revelation.
As they of for various other gods, which means either god is not the exlusive monster you depict him as but reveals itself to people of many faiths, or that everyone making such claims is lying or delluded
Atheists say that there is no such thing as morality.
I'm an atheist and I don't say that, but this will be far from the first, or I fear last time I or others on this board have shown you to be, beyond doubt, discouring from an inappropriate orifice.
This bullshit is typical of the lies you have to speard about others to sustain your beliefs system, which is constructed soley to glorify it's belivers (within the sad compass they reside) , and has nothing to do with glorifying god.
But like the true coward you are you'll avoid answering this.
What sets Christianity apart from all other religions and world views, is that it answers this question. Neither do I want myself or ANY of my worst enemies to ever suffer what is due any of us for our moral crimes against each other.
Hang on a minute; so you've stopped believing in the doctrine of the elect? I'm pretty sure past posts will prove you did. Please clarify; have you changed your beliefs as a Christian regarding salvation since you first started what you probably see as your minstry here?
So much for Perry the organ grinder, Parrot Boy, master of cut and paste, holier than thou, thee... everybody. Now, where's Vinny, puppet the monkey-boy, validation of homind descent paths? I feel like spanking the monkey...
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Vinny
Really, you are too easy. You rise to the surface like dynamited fish; it is pretty obvious someone as conceited as you will react to even the most modest stimuli, even when you already said how busy you were... I pull the string, up you jump. Silly puppet and his friend parrot boy... the standard of Christotrolls has really gone down of late; you're a signal example of this.
Vinny, you haven't 'done' with atheists. All you do is bleat away without apparently realising your 'argument' regarding the lack of origin of god is fallacious (and that has nothing to do with oral sex, okay?).
There is no point explaining special pleading to you AGAIN; its been done several times by different people, and you either do not want to understand or cannot understand it.
Look you do it again;
All things, from nothing, by fat chances and lots o luck is what atheists all believe.
And the only thing that differentiates your belief in god's origin and atheistic belief in the origin of this Universe is your unsupported claim god is out of space and time. You might evade or ignore or not even understand this, but despite the low opinion you have of your fellow man I assure you most of those reading this can see it all too well and know you for what you are.
You have failed time and time again to respond adequately to this weakness. You have no proof god is out of space and time, and even if you can support this belief using the Bible, the Bible is easily shown to have inaccurate information in it.
So, will you now prove the Bible makes this claim about the nature of god and then prove the Bible is without error?
Or will you carry on making yourself look foolish by not responding to the clear and obvious fault in your argument?
I'm just curious how long you will keep going in this circle, where your ill-founded conceit about your own abilities gets displayed time and time again, and where your absence of any detectable Christian qualities does more for putting people of religion than entire armies of atheists. It's all about showing how clever you are (well, how clever you think you are), isn't it? That's why you just ignore the Bible as regards your personal behaviour. It's nothing to do with obedience to god, it's all to do with making yourself feel big.
Is it possible that you're too dumb to realise you're making a spectacle of yourself? The Dr. Evil routine just makes you look like you're 12 or something... except most 12 year-olds are capable of change, and you, well; the jury is out. But seriously, can you file your posts under 'Christlike behaviour'? Well?
If you respond (other than by repeating your boring fallacious claim), could you please also explain where you were taught that evolution is directed by chance? For someone with such a massive opinion of their own abilities and knowledge you make yourself look foolish on multiple fronts by making claims about evolution that show you to be entirely ignorent as regards its processes.
I have never lost one argument on this subject. NONE. ANYWHERE. ZERO.
Yeah, well I could line up the UFOlogists, Conspiracists, BigFootologists, Nessieologists, Paranormalistis, Literalistic Creationists and others who believe in utter codswallop, yet for reasons to do with cognitive dissonance, lack of critical thinking ability, poor education about the subject they are discussing, gullibility, actual mental disorders or being as dumb as a piled of bricks, ALL believe they have never lost an argument.
So? The opinion of people like that is not worth a lot. From what you've displayed I wouldn't line my chicken coop with your opinion.
Hell, I could show you Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Jains, Animists - and although most would not suffer from your bad attitude, many would be as convinced as you are about how right their beliefs were, and all of their beliefs would have as much evidence as yours, and contradict your beliefs and each others. People thinking they are right means nothing, and as you have yet to prove anything other than you have no love or respect for your fellow man, you thinking you're right means nothing.
The assertion that your excuse for god not having an origin is a logical fallacy can be proven from numerous sources.
I have seen so many atheists get spanked and then RUN AWAY.
If one assumes (as you are doing such a good job of proving it) that your argument is without value, and one sees that you repeat yourself endlessly, I think 'died of boredom' could more accurately replace 'run away'. You're so vain you can't even imagine that people stop responding to threads you are in as you are an egotistical, repetative know-nothing who hasn't the wit or the courage to respond to lethal flaws in their argument.
And when I do come back, guess what abaddon, I will come LOOKING JUST FOR YOU. I will be ready to bury you too and your silly beliefs.
Ah yes, here we see 'Christianity' at work. Keep it up! Please note I use quotation marks round Christian as there are quite a few good people here who identify themselves as Christian, yet actually lack the hypocritical, self-glorifying arrogance and threats you specialize in. I don't seek to insult them or their beliefs, just highlight what a joke you are to claim to be Christian.
Now, will we get more of the same (yawn) or will puppet the Christotroll show that he can play nice in company and defend his argument? I'm mainly curious in your responses to the bits I have highlighted yellow, but you might surprise me and give other responses worth responding to you in a serious tone.
Please note, I am quite happy to treat you with a little more civility, but you treat everyone the same, breaking off only to blame others for your behaviour when you are questioned on it, at which point you say you'll be nicer in the future, only to carry on with exactly the same behaviour. Hypocrite. Until you can play nice, I see no reason to show you respect you do not deserve.
You should be the one turning the other cheek; you're the self-proclaimed Christian, after all. But you being a failure in this respect only adds to the ignominy you heap upon yourself...
... oh, save your fingers over the nasty remarks you can make about me, my Avatar photo, past posts, etc.. I really don't care what an ambulatory joke like you thinks about me, or says about me. It won't bother me, assuming I even bother to read such invective. We all know you think you're great and everyone who disagrees is silly, now address the flaws in youar argument...
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Abaddon
Of course, this is the point Vinny gets too 'busy' and runs away...
I've come to like the idea that 'god' is best defined as evolution becoming conscious of itself. Man made god in his own image; the petty, violent gods of the bronze age fitted the times perfectly, the rise of more enlightened philosophies still built upon former belief structures as soceity advanced, and then those same basic moral structures being seen as independent of the former belief structure and secularised leading to modern humanistic thought of today, again reflecting the leading edge of cultural development.
Of course, patterns of belief change with glacial slowness; as they are based upon nothing its hard for them to be displaced by something, as the something is hard put to prove the existence of nothing. Thus we still have bronze-age goat herder beliefs side by side with secular humanism.
What this thread displays well is the hopeless spite of literalistic traditionalists as they try to defend their beliefs using previously refuted hacknyied arguments thy regard as fresh and innovative, and most laughably of all, accurate.
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Atheists, Why the Anger?
by XJW4EVR inok, so you deny the existence of a god, or you lack belief in a god.
my question why do you get so angry over a mythical being?
no one gets as upset over the tooth fairy, santa claus or the easter bunny, as i have seen some of the atheists on this board get over the slightest mention of god.
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Top Hat
Oh, I'm not letting you be happy (on the basis of your belief structure based upon a logical fallacy). I am just happy to let you get on with your life provided you do no harm to others. You are the one letting themselves be happy with an illogical and unsupportable belief structure; thems YOUR standards, not mine.
Now, you could actually be honest, and admit you have a belief structure based upon a logical fallacy, but that that doesn't matter to you as you have faith.
Or you can prove that your belief structure is not based upon a logical fallacy.
Or you can carry on as you are, obviously evading a lethal flaw in your argument.
It's up to you what you do.
Vinny
Please keep up your petulant, vain and wholly laughable postings. As an ex-cultist, one of my chief concerns is that those who are just exiting a cult might be taken advantage of by other religionists who are also involved with high-control or otherwise toxic belief structures.
Having someone as transcendent in their ignorance, as palpably evasive and dishonest in their replies, and as repugnantly offensive and vain in their attitudes as you really helps people fresh out of the frying pan realise what fire not to jump into.
You are so far removed from any concept of Christian behaviour as to make yourself a laughing stock for even claiming it.
But please, keep it up. Modern day Pharisees like you and Perry are just what those fresh out of a cult need to frighten them away from religion for good.
Of course, I might have you and Perry all wrong... in which case you'll be able to succinctly and courteously inform me why your insistence that god doesn't have a begining is not a logical fallacy.
If you don't understand what a logical fallacy is, I'll help out. Maybe you are just misguided and ill-informed as distinct from malign and stupid.
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Atheists, Why the Anger?
by XJW4EVR inok, so you deny the existence of a god, or you lack belief in a god.
my question why do you get so angry over a mythical being?
no one gets as upset over the tooth fairy, santa claus or the easter bunny, as i have seen some of the atheists on this board get over the slightest mention of god.
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Top Hat
That is called special pleading. You say god needs no creator as he was always there. And your proof of this is? All you are doing is excusing god from the necessity of a creator, which you then insist everything else needed, by saying he doesn't need one for reason 'x'.
It is not a logically sound argument, and I didn't make the rules of argument up.
Now, please, by all means, if this excuse meet your standards of belief, and this makes you happy and enables you to live a happy and fulfied life in peace with your fellow man, go for it.
But don't be surprised if others think your argument is nonsensical and invalid.
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Atheists, Why the Anger?
by XJW4EVR inok, so you deny the existence of a god, or you lack belief in a god.
my question why do you get so angry over a mythical being?
no one gets as upset over the tooth fairy, santa claus or the easter bunny, as i have seen some of the atheists on this board get over the slightest mention of god.
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Perry
Why should I falsify something you have not proved?
I could equally quote some 'holy' scripture from the Hindu, Judaic, Islamic, Sikh or other religious tradition, say, there you go, prove Brahma/Adonai/Allah etc. doesn't exist
I proved (unchallenged I might add) that it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist.
You didn't prove a thing, you just copied a very old and hackneyed, extremely well known logical argument. One cannot prove the non-existence of something which you cannot prove the existence of. You may well impress yourself and your monkey with your opinion of your intelligence, but don't assume we have such low standards.
The scripture doesn't say that the doubter, or the one who is unsure is a fool.... only the one who claims definitively "there is no God".
But sweetums, it is equally true any one who claims definitively there is a god is a fool.
Vinny
...but what is NOT "fakeness" here, is the reality that you have an entire UNIVERSE, EARTH, and LIFE on that earth SITTING IN YOUR LAP. Now, HOW'D THEY GET THERE THEN? All from nothing buries atheists every time. Poor atheists have no way out of the mud with their beliefs.
Dear Christiotroll, the only thing that stops your theistic argument from suffering from exactly the same problem (something from nothing) is because you use the logical fallacy of special pleading to get round it. If this makes you happy and enables you to lead a happy and fulfilled life, good for you. Do not expect everyone else to have such low standards though.
Junction-Guy
Another thing I have noticed is that the Atheist XJW's are'nt nearly as friendly as the christian JW's, and they seem to lash out more at everyone, no matter what the subject involves, be it politics or religion. Atheists hate Bush, they hate the Bible, they hate traditional american life, they hate just about everything except other atheists.
Well, maybe your opinion is a wee bit slanted by your beliefs regarding god and politics, and your inability to even attempt forming an objective viewpoint. If you were a left-wing atheist, you'd think theists weren't nearly as friendly as atheists.
greendawn
Please, try to restrict yourself to factual argumentation in supporting your beliefs. Please provide support for your claim that atheists who know anything about linguistics say "... languages get ever more complicated (gramatically) as we go back in time... because they are simpler and easier to learn"
http://www.ancientscripts.com/hl_why.html
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And may I remind most of the theists on the board that they are atheists too? Theists are atheistic regarding all but one god, for exactly the same reasons atheists are atheistic towards all gods. It's just theists are inconsistent and incapable of substantively differentiating the gods they disbelieve in from the god they do believe in as regards proof.