Bergman has posted here in the past (his name was his log-in). I think he ran away from a discussion we were having when I asked him about Bristlecone pines. He is also evasive, as he never gave a straight answer when questioned about his beliefs. He is very convinced of his own cleverness, but is pretty much not worth the effort as he's so insubstantial.
Abaddon
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Jerry Bergman v PZ Myers Debate
by cofty inin part 1 bergman speaks about his past as a jw and how it influenced his thinking.
he actually claims that the watchtower were the only religious organisation to oppose the nazis.
i swear i am losing iq points by the minute listening to him.
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Please Help Headisspinning With Her iPhone!
by headisspinning inhey guys.... i'm still here and following every day but it's all on my iphone so i can't comment or message or post replies and i'm going crazy!.
little baby boy - darling that he is - pulls my hair, yanks on my shorts, scratches and bites my skin or wails whenever i try to go online... once he's up on my lap.. .well, watch out keyboard!.
(oh how i long to bring him to the kingdom hall - lol!).
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Abaddon
I use the Mercury browser for the iPhone. Once installed, clcik on the cog, and then settings, and in General Settings make 'Identify Browser as' IE7; then as described above, click on the T above the text box.
I find it easiest to write the post in Notepad, and then cut and paste it into the text box as described. When done, click on Insert, and then click Submit.
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My Last Thread
by Maze inmy interest in posting here has deadened lately.
this will likely be my last thread.
initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.
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Abaddon
That should be 'ever proved anything in a serious discussion other than rather uncomplimentary things about themselves?'. Am typing on an iPhone.
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My Last Thread
by Maze inmy interest in posting here has deadened lately.
this will likely be my last thread.
initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.
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Abaddon
I regret the car analogy is not my own, but is so damn good it stuck in my memory, and will I hope itch away at those who read it and don't act on it's logical conclusion.
As for where I was JD, well you know, good times, bad times, I know I've had my share, my woman ran off with a blind man but I still don't seem to care. To be honest I decided to stop identifying myself as an xJW. Posting here kinda typecast me, although others may not have found the same. But as, after a long gap, the song remains the same, I made the right call for me.
From some comments I gather this person may be some species of sock-puppet/attention whore/troll.
And this is what they and the monomaniacal 'god speaks through me' sad sacks and YEC/OEC/ID fucktards don't get.
'We' might not change their mind, but it is not about them. It is about those who merely read and are informed by the debate.
Has a creationist (or other type of conspiracist such as Truthers, Birthers etc.) ever proved anything in a serious discussion that rather uncomplimentary things about themselves?
Have any of the self-appointed members of god's elect ever proved anything other than all they hear is the Universe making a whooshing noise as it revolves around their pointy little heads?
Those who scream and shout to hold on to what ever stupid little fancy that fills their need for understanding and control do more to push those on the wall off to 'our' side than a million learned essays.
'We' win, not because we are so good, but because the others, the fantasists and science deniers, are so bad.
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My Last Thread
by Maze inmy interest in posting here has deadened lately.
this will likely be my last thread.
initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.
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Abaddon
I was looking at buying a new car yesterday. It seemed ok and was comfy inside, but I told the salesman I wanted to read up on it and maybe find out what people who owned one, or had owned one thought of it.
He told me that on no account should I listen to anyone other than him, and that I especially should avoid listening to ex-owners, as they were liars and immoral.
How come if I buy that car I am an idiot, but if I 'buy' a religion with the same attitude, I would not be an idiot.
Notice how all you talk about is not subjecting yourself to alternate sources of information, nothing about that information being wrong.
Truth need not hide from searing scrutiny, and they that say it does lie.
Yes, it is hard, it is scary. You have reached the point where you know on some level you can retreat into the safety of what you know and ignore the uneasiness you now feel (this is your cognitive dissonance being pushed to its limits) or reboot your life and risk loosing all your friends and or family.
Be brave. Be strong. Don't carry on living a lie.
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Abaddon
Cart before horse me thinks.
Prove the Bible is inspired of god and without error.
Yeah, yeah, people say it is. So? And other religions say the same about their books.
But you want Biblical error; well, what type. If you believe the Earth was created recently and animals created in the existing forms, there are museums full of evidence that this is wrong.
Howabout the evidence of the huge group of Israelites spending 40 years in the wilderness? There is none. Nothing; a group of people the size (supposedly) of a city left no trace. Were they recyclers? Did god magic away the evidence to test us? Or was it just a story, a piece of propoganda that a nation could grow around?
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Happy Easter: a rather appropriate song
by Abaddon inherod's song from jcs:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1kwi3hewq.
jesus, i am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
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Abaddon
Herod's Song from JCS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1KwI3HeWQ
All together now:
Jesus, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
You've been getting quite a name all around the place.
Healing cripples, raising from the dead.
And now I understand you're God,
At least, that's what you've said.
So, you are the Christ, you're the great Jesus Christ.
Prove to me that you're divine; change my water into wine.
That's all you need do, then I'll know it's all true.
Come on, King of the Jews.
Jesus, you just won't believe the hit you've made around here.
You are all we talk about, the wonder of the year.
Oh what a pity if it's all a lie.
Still, I'm sure that you can rock the cynics if you tried.
So, you are the Christ, you're the great Jesus Christ.
Prove to me that you're no fool; walk across my swimming pool.
If you do that for me, then I'll let you go free.
Come on, King of the Jews.
I only ask what I'd ask any superstar.
What is it that you have got that puts you where you are.
I am waiting, yes I'm a captive fan.
I'm dying to be shown that you are not just any man.
So, if you are the Christ, yes the great Jesus Christ
Feed my household with this bread.
You can do it on your head.
Or has something gone wrong. Jesus, why do you take so long?
Oh come on, King of the Jews.
Hey! Aren't you scared of me Christ?
Mr. Wonderful Christ?
You're a joke. You're not the Lord.
You are nothing but a fraud.
Take him away.
He's got nothing to say!
Get out you King of the,
Get out King of the,
Oh get out you King of the Jews!
Get out of here!
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Couple of "Human Evolution" Questions (Seriously), If I May...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
i know, i know... from body members: why is she going there, again??
but... i have what i believe are a couple/few valid questions, so i must ask that you indulge me, if you can.
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Abaddon
Good example ballistic. And it allows an illustration of how speciation works.
Tibetians are and will remain humans. There is enough genetic admixture in and out of Tibet to prevent speciation. If Earth's mountains had regions suitable for residence so high it was impossible for a ground level human to go there, and some Tibetains could er many generations gain further altitude adaption to comfortably live there, and then some calamity came about that left Tibetians on an inaccessable high plateau and people at ground level, and no technological means left of bridging the gap, ground level humans and Tibetian humans would stop exchanging genes. Maybe at some point after a very very long time, they would find, when they re-established contact, they were no longer genetically compatible.
That's one way speciation occurs.
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Couple of "Human Evolution" Questions (Seriously), If I May...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
i know, i know... from body members: why is she going there, again??
but... i have what i believe are a couple/few valid questions, so i must ask that you indulge me, if you can.
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Abaddon
"1. Are we still physically evolving (as the "evidence", if true, would logically indicate we would be)?"
Yes we are; see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzpbDVjO_nw
" b. If so...
(1) HOW, logically, are we still evolving? "
Same way we always did; see below about what evolution IS.
" (2) WHAT, logically, are we involving into? "
There is no set destination for evolution. It doesn't know what it is doing so how human shall evolve is an open discussion. Some genetic trends can be seen. but nothing that would mean H. Sapiens will be anything other than that for a very long time.
"What is/could/must be "next"?"
The only must is based on a combination of various aspects of natural selection; it is a simplification, but what a species evolves into must have more genes from members of that species that are better at passing their genes on than other members of that population.
" (Note, while "next" could involve things like flying or being able to swim underwater without an apparatus, wouldn't the second suggest, logically, a de-volution - i.e., back to the "soup" - and wouldn't, logically, both have to involve some kind of "mating" with another species that can already fly/swim... which I don't deny could occur due to some experiment in a petrie dish but, again, logically, would require intervention by humans, thus, being "artificial" as opposed to natural?)"
So much wrong here; evolution of a species from a terrestrial to aquatic form is not devolution it is evolution. The hippo-like creatures that evolved into whales did not devolve by returning to the water, they evolved to exploit the resources of a particular environment, developing echo-location in the process.
And species rarely acquire major characteristics from genetic transfer from other species. Bacteria do a lot, but dolphins did not get sonar from breeding with bats, or bats wings by mice breeding with birds. Sonar and wings have evolved separately on several occasions as they are biologically possible and survival benefits. However, other hippo-like creatures evolved into hippos, who have characteristics that allow them to survive well in their environment, and some shrew-like creatures became shrews instead of bats, and are just as good in their environment as bats are in theirs.
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2. If we are still evolving, wouldn't evolving into a species that surpasses the physical body, surpasses being limited by the physical world, its laws and confines... and the requirements and needs of the physical body... be the ultimate station? I mean, logically? Wouldn't evolving to the point where the body doesn't need to eat, sleep, pee, poop, breath air, use apparati to fly, swim, etc., to be limited to a set space... logically, be the ultimate?
Because as far as we know there, there is no selection pressure to acquire such characteristics, and no indication that such would be possible by biological evolution or is even real. Telepathic people don't survive better than non telepathic people, otherwise we would all be telepaths and besides, there's no proof that telepathy exists. Replace 'telepathy' with 'spiritual beings'.
It is nice you are asking constructive questions, but they would be better if you had even the vaguest idea about how evolution works ( as shown by your question about acquiring characteristics by interspecies breeding and devolution ).
And they miss the point; you are accepting Genesis as allegorical accept with regard to human evolution with none evidence to support the differentiation and no need to do so in order to believe in god.
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Couple of "Human Evolution" Questions (Seriously), If I May...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
i know, i know... from body members: why is she going there, again??
but... i have what i believe are a couple/few valid questions, so i must ask that you indulge me, if you can.
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