Posts by Abaddon

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LATEST INSTALLMENT OF APOSTATE "DOOM"...

by You Know in

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as the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.

one such prophecy that bears review is the oft-quoted verse concerning the "increasing of lawlessness.

" typically the watchtower has pointed to increasing criminal lawlessness in the world as evidence of the fulfillment of that particular feature of the sign of christ's imminent arrival.

Abaddon

Oooo, imbecile! I'm cut to the core. As for business, it is as much my business as anyones' on a public general forum. That's my point. It wouldn't be my business to say that if this mountain of poo was in the *patient voice* appropriate forum. But it isn't, so deal with it.

Go to the main page. Notice there are forums for different types of topics. Select the one appropriate to the topic.

I think we ALL should try doing it, not just you, but I doubted if you would have the consideration to even consider it, and I was right.

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You-Know-Esque Science

by AlanF in

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as regular participants of this board know, our beloved poster you know.

claims to be the most astute bible student in the world.

in the thread.

Abaddon

chasson; nice one!!

You Know; so, you are saying animals eat flesh before the flood? Yes or no?

And;

[quote]
I do find it rather odd though that animals back then seemed so clumsy.[quote]

Is there no begining to your knowledge You Know? You are hysterical, in BOTH senses of the word.

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Sick of "prophecies"

by lookingnow22 in

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i'm going to ramble (rant) again!.

i am so sick and tired of hearing about this prophecy in the bible, and that prophecy in the bible.

i'm sick of hearing they were fulfilled by this person, that organization, some event.

Abaddon

Before ze paradize, ven ze vicked are liqudated by ze divine armiez of Yehovah Gott, ik vil ride op mijn witte paard, met ze szord oz righttousnez. Ik ben Bobby Priest-King, ik ben You Know. An ze storiez about ze damage ze acid didt to mijn brien are ze vords of Gott's enemiez.

Vun You Know, Vun Yehovah, Vun Paradize for ze thouzand yaars!!!!

Heil Bobby!! Heil Bobby!! Heil Bobby!!

How about, seeing this board has a fairly funky engine, if we do have to live with the 'newest post at top' rather than 'newest thread at top', we all promise to post in the relevent forum? No one does, so let's do it.

That way Bobby toss-bag and his pals can calculate the dancing capacity of pins for angels in weirdville, and we can have the main board scroll less?

Oh, of course, You Know wouldn't do that, as he such an egomaniac that the idea of less people being given the opportunity to avoid his shite will kill him.

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McVeigh put to sleep RETARTED next

by crossroads in

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earlier this year are governor signed a bill exempting.

mentally retarded from the death penealty.

problem.

Abaddon

Oh, no, not again...

(voice from South Park)

Killing is wrong. M'kay?

Because killing is wrong, M'kay?

And killing for killing is wrong. M'kay?

I get so bored with having the death penalty debate with Americans as their support of it is generally based on assumptions.

Would everyone who supports the death penalty go and read the justice departments statistical extract for executions? And explain the dodgy bits (like overturned convictions (i.e. people sentenced to death and later found to be INNOCENT) since the death penalty was re-instituted in the USA are just about as high as actual executions?). I've got a .pdf file somewhere if y'all to damn lazy to investigate yourselves.

Now (taking this as a fact, which it is) you can explain this as proof that the appeals system works, and that no innocent people get killed. Or you can think about the innocent ones whose innocence was not discovered before their execution, sitting there, knowing they are innocent, knowing they are going to die, be judicially murdered AND PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES.

Good example is Dennis Williams. Unless an Illinois law professor had set his case as a class project, he would be dead. And it's not like the evidence was hard to come by! There was a guy in jail willing to admit to the murder who could provide SOC detail that proved he was just peaching, and enough holes in the case to make it qualify as swiss cheese, as distinct from justice.

Would everyone who supports the death penalty explain how people get executed when appeal courts decide that undisclosed evidence and public defenders who fell asleep in the original trial are no reason for a re-trial?

Anyone going to look at a statistical analysis of race, by offender and victim, and sentence, and tell me that a) a white life is worth the same as a black life in the USA (CLUE; it is not, you are more likely to die for killing white people), or that blacks do not get lynched (or executed in some other way) in the USA (CLUE; they do, as a black person charged with murder is more liely to die for it than a white person)?

Is there a big enough fool here to tell me that;

a) The death penalty never results in an innocent person dying.

b) That the death penalty is applied to people equally without regard to their race, the race of their alleged victims, or the wealth of the alleged murderer?

c) That the death penalty is never applied to minors or to mentally incompetant people?

If you answer YES, you are a fool, and a wrong fool. Do some fucking research.

If you answer NO, then the death penalty is by its very nature unconstitutional, let alone unfair, racist and partial.

Isn't it funny how an ammendment to the constitution (right to bear arms) gets people marching in the street if it is threatened, but the fact everytime someone is executed you are ass-reaming your precious constitution, and the anti-death penalty lobby are satarised as 'tree-hugging hippies' (sorry SlayerLayer, nothing personal ;-) ).

It's your country, do what you like. In Europe we call that behaviour barbaric and we call it hypocritical. Play with your guns, kill innocent people, 'guard' the free world from infringements of human rights (rich white American peoples rights), make fools of yoursleves?

Just like we did in Europe, you will repeal the death penalty again and it will not come back. It's inevitable, like the Euro or a United States of Europe.

Have a nice weekend!!

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

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i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Abaddon

SLayerLayer;

No apologies needed for your argumentative style mate; we seem to give as good as we get ;-)

I agree that Europe has seen its share of barbarism. That means we know what we are talking about. We have murderers, terrorists, paedophiles, rapists. We used to kill them. Now we don't.

I simply feel that anyone that could possibly kill an innocent child. does not deserve to walk the same earth as you a I.

I agree that they should not walk the Earth. Life imprisonment should mean life imprisonment, at least for some offenses.

I feel that they should in the same manner as they kill. If they rape and mutilate a child, then they should be raped and mutilated, as they are forced to look at pictures of their dead victim.

I think that would make the judicial system as disgusting as the murderer.

I'm also glad to see you were joking about adultery and drugs, although I think one is wrong, I am heartily in support of the latter.

As for drug history, well, I'm sure we could have a good conversation about that as I am fairly well informed. I also live in a country where pot is legal, and where the politicians have actually read their history. The only reasons tobacco and alcohol are legal are historical ones, and as you point out, the reasons the main drugs of today are banned for largely religio-political reasons.

Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. The war on drugs hasn't worked. Drugs are cheaper, more plentiful, easier to get hold of. And billions have been wasted on fighting 'it'.

Essentially if drugs were available at their production costs plus tax and profit, there would be virtually no drug related crime, as you point out. Drug taking is a victimless crime if the drug taker can afford their fix, and if there's no huge profit to be made on supplting the fix.

There's also a difference between use and abuse. I smoke pot virtually daily, have a full time job as an assistant manager of an IT departnment (I was on the helpdesk 'phone when I joined the company in September), am studying towards a degree, and spend a weekend each month in England to see my kids. I use drugs. Wow, I am so screwed up maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

We will always have sad little junkies who abuse drugs, and they have as much in common with me as a normal drinker does with an alcoholic.

Education is the key; as my University disertation was titled, 'Just Say Know'.

As around half of America's two + million strong prison population is in prison for non-violent drug offenses, there are those who debate the continued support of the current drug laws is due to the large amounts of money to be made in incarseration in privately-run prisons, pandering to the religious-right and a certain 'devil we know' policy. When prohibition was repealed the crime families that sprung up diversified; they would do the same again.

As for 'walkin into a convenience store to pack a pack of mary jane', come to Holland.

You can. They have menus. Resin or herbal? Sativa or Indica? You choose. Let me know if you ever come over here.

8-)-~

I also enjoy your posts, and agree that we simply disagree on the subject of the death penalty, and have a similary 'Yo! Muthafucker!' arguementative style on the occasion.

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LATEST INSTALLMENT OF APOSTATE "DOOM"...

by You Know in

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as the last days wind down to their dramatic conclusion, prophecies that were heretofore obscure, over time have now come more sharply into focus.

one such prophecy that bears review is the oft-quoted verse concerning the "increasing of lawlessness.

" typically the watchtower has pointed to increasing criminal lawlessness in the world as evidence of the fulfillment of that particular feature of the sign of christ's imminent arrival.

Abaddon

Dear bjc2012 and You Know.

Could you move your portentious dribble about the mountain of defecation to an appropriate forum.

Show a little fucking consideration.

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10 Things That You Never See At Assemblies:

by Englishman in

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a mexican wave.. cheerleaders.. a streaker.. ice cream / hot dog vendors.. people standing up with their fist raised high saying "yes!".

extra time.. presentation of awards.. autographs.. booing.. the audience waving their lighters as night falls.. there must be more!.

englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Abaddon

Rex; my, aren't you an offesive little prig then?

Any other light-hearted conversations you can defecate over? Or are you done?

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

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i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Abaddon

SlayerLayer;

Personally, I think we should chop off the hands of those who would steal here too. And as for anyone commiting adultry, male or female, they should be buriedup to their head in the sand and have rocks thrown at them.

Yeah, well, I can't even take that seriously (although you might being 'funny') as it is so wack. If you're serious I think YOU should be locked up, as you're foaming at the mouth man.

Oh, British police do not carry guns outside of airports, or operations where they know they will need guns, and they have to be specially trained. But as we have sane gun control laws in Britain, we do not have scores of policemen being gunned down by criminals. And a violent death rate a fraction of the US.

You must have got the 'Stop! Or I will say Stop! again' thing off someone, as I've been using that as a little 'routine' to make American friends laugh for years, and if you come out with it word for word, I must have stolen it too!

As for the rest of Europe, well, yeah, the police carry guns, but as most of Europe has sane gun control laws they don't get to use them much.

I do understand how childhood will have long effects on us. I myself endured much as a child from a mother who was manic depressive and took out her anger on me. I'm not looking for pity, I just want to make it clear that being raised in an abusive home did not turn me into a killer. In my opinion, those who blame childhood, or traumatic experiences on their wrongdoings are cowards.

So, you're rabid love of the death pemalty has nothing to do with your unhappy childhood. Doesn't it seem that you have some anger that you are taking out on people? You've every right to that anger, but does it do any good taking it out like this?

Is it your opinion then that these violent criminals should be tortured and suffer inhumane consequences? Sodomy as an alternative? Personally, I would rather die than be raped over and over again.

So kill yourself if faced with that choice. You being uptight about your sexuality and prefering dying to munching some pillow is not an excuse for the death penalty.

I note you resort to this;

Awwwww...did da poor wittle muhdawah have a bad environment to grow up in? Poor wittle guy.

and this;

Quit hugging trees with your bleeding heart. Go save some whales or something.

... rather than going anywhere near the point I made that Americans are just in love with the death penalty 'cause they grew up with it, and don't know any better, where as if you didn't grow up with it you'd probably think it barbaric like over 80% of Europeans.

Is that because you are afraid to admit your opinions are shaped by the society you were raised in, because you want to avoid that arguement as you don't want to go there, or because you didn't get it?

Sorry to be blunt, but someone supporting killing people for showing callous disregard of human life while they show callous disregard of human life is so fucking hypocritical it always pisses me off.

I'm going to caress a pot-plant now; trees are not my thing...

Oh, your anger; is it directed at drug users too?

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Be afraid...be very afraid...

by fodeja in

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from http://www.greatcrowd.com/159ubb/forum22/html/000167.html.

he gave us some statistics about how much the occurrences of random violence have escalated over the recent years, and it's terrible.

something like 99% of us will be exposed to, or become a victim of a violent crime.

Abaddon

Is this the point in the debate where a European says 'Yeah, but the reason that so many people get killed in the USA is that the gun control laws are so lax?'

Then the Americans, or at least two-thirds of them, say, 'No, no, no, how foolish you are!! The fact that there are guns everywhere has nothing to do with the fact that the murder rates in the USA are multiples of any other Western country.'

Then the Europeans say, 'Er, what? Are you seriously saying that sociological differences between the USA and Europe make American's at least two, if not three or four times more likely to get shot than Europeans? That's like saying that America is a culture with many violent psychopaths, and Europe is not. If that's your arguement fine, but I've been there and I don't think that American's are any more bad than Europeans, I think the reason so many people get shot is that there are lots of handguns.'

And then the American pro-gun lobby again say, 'No, no, no, guns don't kill people people kill people, the fact there are a lot of handguns has nothing to do with the high rate of death from gun-shot wounds. And anyway, it is a constitutional right'.

By this point the Europeans have that little wrinkle in the middle of their forehead that you get when your head hurts; a bit like the one we get when we read stuff on WOL nowadays.

In a pained voice they say 'So, Europe has low gun ownership, and America has high gun ownership.' The Americans happily agree, normally while polishing their handguns. 'And,' the Europeans continue, 'Europe and America are broadly comparable culturally speaking.' The American nod happily in agrement while running a pull-thru thru their barrels. 'And you say that the reason lots of people get shot in the USA is NOT because there are a lot of guns?' query the Europeans.

'That's right,' say the Americans, 'in fact, guns make us safe'. 'Oh, is that why so many people get killed accidentally by firearms or by their own firearms?' say the Europeans. 'And it's our constitutional right.' say the Americans with a degree of smugness.

'Ah yes, one of the Ammendments, isn't it?' say the Europeans. The Americans nod happily as they cross-slot their bullet tips.

'Isn't an Ammendment something you do to something that isn't working?' point out the Europeans. The Americans nod, although less enthusiastically. 'So,' say the Europeans, 'the right to bear arms was an ammendment to the Constitution framed at a time when there was no standing police force and many people lived in frontier areas where they need guns for protection against the Indians they were ethnically cleansing?'

The Americans have stopped nodding by this point and are cradling their guns as if they were about to give them a breast-feed.

'And then, people arguably needed guns for self defence.' carry on the Europeans, oblivious to the funny glint in the Americans eyes - like that of a cat watching a snake. 'But now there are standing police forces, and you are unlikely to be raided by First Nation war parties?'

'Ah yes, BUT,' say the Americans, 'we also need them to protect us from the government.'

'Oh, in case you need to revolt against oppression?' question the Europeans, perhaps a little too innocently.

'Yup, that's right.' say the Americans.

'But didn't the entirity of Eastern Europe, under totalitarian regiemes, where private ownership of guns was heavily controlled, revolt without guns or major loss of life?' say the Europeans in that tone of voice that says "if you don't agree with this you are a fucking nut".

'What's your point?' say the Americans.

'Well, the right to bear arms is an archaic ammendment to the Constitution framed for a completely different society, and needs ammending, as high levels of gun ownership lead to high levels of gun related deaths, and unless Eastern Europeans are well hard and Americans are a bunch of pussies, recent history shows that revolutions can be gunless and virtually bloodless, so you don't need guns to defend yourself from the givernment.' say the Europeans.

'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.' say the Americans.

'God, you Americans, this conversation is pointless,' say the Europeans, 'there's so many guns out there anyway it wouldn't make much difference if you introduced strict gun control, not unless you sent the Army round door-to-door, and even then they'd be nutters caching them in the hills.'

'And that's why we need them!' cry the American's, 'in case the government try to take them away.'

At this point the conversation normally starts going in circles, or the Europeans go and get drunk, laughing at the fact American tourists cancel trips to Europe if there's a terrorist problem, when they're actually more at risk of a violent death if they stay at home.

Of course I could be wrong, but that's normally what happens...

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

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i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Abaddon

Well SlayerLayer, as a tree-hugging hippie I love people who support the death penalty as much as those who don't.

It's just they piss me off. Tough love I guess. ;-)

Oh, and you did say "Call me an insensitive prick." So I did.

8-)

As regards the death penalty; you were bought up in a country where they kill people judicially. You think it's okay, just like many Saudi's think chopping hands off for theft is okay, or burying a woman up to her head in the sand and then chucking stones at her if she commits adultery is okay, just like some Spaniards think throwing goats out of church towers during religous festivals is okay. You have been brutalised by your environment.

You might disagree, but you would, just like a JW would disagree that not giving blood to a baby that needed a blood transfusion was callous.

As stated earlier, in 1948 the German government abolished the death penalty. The majority of the country were still in favour of it. Now, growing up in an environment where killing is considered bad, no matter who does it, only about 15% of the German population agree with the death penalty.

It has nothing to do with hugging trees, and a lot to do with where and when you grew up.

So, you are a product of your environment and I am a product of mine. I'm not bad for opposing the death penalty, and you are not bad for supporting it.

Sorry about the miss call regarding musical tastes; you look like (if that is you) someone I knew who was THE death-metal cliche boy.

However, although Buffy (in the latest season) is now a woman instead of an ickkle (butt-kicking) girl, I still think that Willow is way cuter, so whilsy your taste in music might be vindicated your taste in women and punishment is dubious.

;-)

If killing is wrong, killing is wrong, it really is that simple (if you are bought up that way). If not, well, your grandchildren will look back and shake their heads, as they will feel the way that I and most of Europe does. It is inevitable.