Posts by TTATTelder

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JWs and catastrophic events

by ilikecheese in

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a natural disaster, a mass shooting, a building collapse, etc.

i sometimes peruse jw facebook groups or look at the public topics on jwtalk.

it seems like every single time something like that happens, at least 75% of the responses contain something along the lines of "i hope all the witnesses are okay!

TTATTelder

I recently overheard an elder saying he can't wait to run a bulldozer in the new system and push all the dead bodies around....

It was a disgusting thing to hear.

So to answer your question, I think because of the whole "all wordly people will be destroyed at Armegeddon" belief, they discount the value of "worldly" people's lives.

Really, though, how could they not feel that way considering the belief system. In JW land, God is holding back his anger right now.

They believe that God is just chomping at the bits to destroy these people. So what's a few early casualties? No big deal.

But let something happen to a precious JW...oh it's time to wail and moan. I mean that's Gods people being hurt, not some worthless worldly person.

-Not many JWs can or will articulate their true level of disdain for their fellow man, but its just under the surface for many of them.

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An Anti-Witnessing Campaign, Please Join Me!

by What Now? in

in the past few weeks, the shunning issue has become a very personal one for me, and i have begun to realize that it is not just enough for me and my family to fade out.

after some recent events, i am motivated to start some anti-watchtower activism of my own.. i, like many others, have hoped that there would be a scandal of epic proportions within the organization, something that would wake others up and trigger a mass exodus.. while i am still hopeful that this may happen, it seems that the organization is too good at damage control, and heightening the paranoia surrounding apostates.. but what if the ex-witness community tried a different approach?.

what if, to borrow a hockey term, a sort of shut out situation was created?.

TTATTelder

Maybe make a pre-done form with fill in blanks for name and such that formally requests to be put on the do not call list.

Elders respond to a letter much more readily than a simple request at the door.

Many publishers forget or lose their notes and never actually follow through with those verbal requests.

Just a thought.

Also definitely shorten up the letter. I would suggest just sticking to the one issue As brief as possible.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Say They Are The Most Educated In The World. How Would You Prove Otherwise?

by minimus in

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they claim their schools, literature and teaching are far more superior than any "worldly" education.

how would you counter that belief?.

TTATTelder

That statement ("most educated") from the GB is simply indocrination.

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If they tell the peeps that, then they won't feel the need to get any outside education.

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The GB's Obsession with the Catholics

by TTATTelder in

the gb for some reason is completely fixated on the roman catholic church (rcc).

they should just say that the rcc is babylon the great and get it over with.. the "world empire of false religion" ??

how often do they talk about muslims?

TTATTelder

RR,

I definitely agree they are cowards. Where is all that confidence in Jehovah when it comes to blasting Islam for being a snare and a racket? How about a few wise cracks about Muhammad being a false god?

Anyway I think it must be based on some of what blondie posted about their history. Catholic judge threw Rutherford and the boys in jail. That combined with basic cheap publicity stunts (Bombastic talks, defamatory writing, picketing etc)

Catholics barely know they exist. Thats what's so funny.

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JW. org: "No, we are not a cult. We do not look to any human as our leader."

by Faithful Witness in

i know this has been rehashed, time and again, but i saw this interesting blip on jw.org last night, and did a little thinking about it.... jw.

org answers the important question that so many have... are jehovah's witnesses a cult?.

jehovah's witnesses do not look to any human as their leader.

TTATTelder

abiblestudent,

IMHO an organization/sect is dangerous whenever it uses BITE control techniques to victimize its members to follow its leaders, or when it takes actions to protect the organization's image to the deteriment of its members' basic human rights and welfare.

Well said.

mynameislame,

It is easy to not be a cult if you define what a cult is.

Some think of a cult as people who kill pigs and drink their blood naked in time square on new years eve.

Obviously we are not a cult.

Hilarious and completely true.

sd-7,

9/15/10 WT, p.23

In this time of the end, Christ has committed “all his belongings”— all the earthly interests of the Kingdom—to his “faithful and discreet slave” and its representative Governing Body, a group of anointed Christian men. (Matt. 24:45-47) The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

Don't see that quote in their little website answer do ya?

Why wouldn't they mention this reference - in the name of full disclosure? The truth has nothing to hide right?

smiddy,

The definitions they didn`t mention surely identify them as a cult. and they are guilty of the sin of omission .

Bingo.

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Child Abuse or Apostasy...which is worse?

by kneehighmiah in

i believe that apostasy is the ultimate jw sin.

only apostates are mentally diseased.

it's hilarious how a child predator or psychopath has never been called mentally diseased.

TTATTelder

None of the other sins are "sinning against the holy spirit."

So questioning the bad math in the 1914 doctrine is the same as being Judas Iscariot.

Yeah that makes sense.

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New May WT continuing to beat persecution/organization drum

by kneehighmiah in

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check out the new may wt.

" is nauseating.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140515/moving-ahead-jehovahs-organization/.

TTATTelder

thanks data-dog

unbelievable

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Is the Watchtower Really Rewriting their History through the DVDs and CD-ROM?s Historical Revisionist.

by RottenRiley in

i am searching for the materials showing the watchtower changing the original content like or examples of the following.. .

"the preaching work will be finished in the 20th century and never be repeated".

i heard they changed this gem, and many others, why are they so dishonest, their members are stuck in the mental mud, doubt they even read the new magazines so why are they going to the trouble of changing or revising their past magazines when the members wanting true christian freedom, practicing love and compassion will locate the revised materials?.

TTATTelder

sir82,

I agree. They see the r&f as children. (I'm sure there are also some that don't believe at all like phizzy said)

I believe they see the masses (publishers) as people who need someone to tell them what to do, what to believe, what to think, and basically need a fairy tale bedtime story every night to get through life.

They perpetuate a childish dependence and repressed mental/emotional abilities. They do this under the guise of "taking care of the little sheep" that "can't handle the truth".

While there may be some truth to people needing a "mommy", they show their hand when they threaten these same people (they claim to protect) with the cruelty of slander, scarlet-lettering, and banishment.

How could a mentally underdeveloped, dependant, child-like person possibly deal with that level of threat?

The answer is - they can't. They run under the bed and hide mentally waiting for "mommy" to make it all better.

The control techniques are sinister, cruel, and abusive. There is no justification for it.

sd-7,

Love the way franz printed the year number 1975 plainly 3 times in one paragraph while claiming not to be pointing to the date.

"We are not saying" = Bald-Faced Lie

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

TTATTelder

Journey,

Study Conductor: So who's left standing after our checklist ?

Study: Jehovah Witness

Conductor: So we must have the truth of the whole universe right?

Study: Yeah

Conductor: Good student! You get to follow me around while I knock on doors this weekend!

Study: Huh?

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New May WT continuing to beat persecution/organization drum

by kneehighmiah in

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friends

check out the new may wt.

" is nauseating.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140515/moving-ahead-jehovahs-organization/.

TTATTelder

The desperation is palpable.

2014 has them losing sleep at night.

Typical GB thoughts at night: (in a whispery voice) "Could it all dissappear?....... Have we reached our last peak? ............

What will we say if our numbers start going down? ........

We need another article to keep the flock in line! And we need another special campaign or two or three! Gotta keep 'em busy. Can't let 'em think!"