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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

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  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  It sounds like some congregations asked for the total amount a person could reasonably afford to donate to the local box each month.

  Then from there the elder body will decide on an amount to commit to for the kh construction/remodel fund.

  That sounded more reasonable to me and after looking at the letter again, it may be what the branch meant to begin with.

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  With that said, the most disturbing part of the letter may be the encouragement of any cong's with surplus funds or funds set aside for major projects to send the money to the branch as they will now be financing these projects.

  People are funny when it comes to money.

  Sister "got-an-inheritance" that gave $100,000 to her personal hall for a major renovation may not take kindly to it being shipped off to New York and joining the collective coffers.

  Just sayin'

  -TE
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  TOP TEN ex-Jehovah's Witness MISTAKES and ERRORS of judgment

  by Terry in

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  1. asking the wrong people the wrong questions in search of the wrong answers based on the wrong presuppositions.. 2. failure to realize you can't drive without a steering wheel by facing the loss of autonomy, individualism and self-respect.. 3. self-righteousness in failing to acknowledge poor choices you made coupled with a lack of curiosity as to why and how you made them.. 4. unwillingness to learn what a category fallacy** is in searching for the "true" religion or "correct" interpretation of scripture, etc.. 5. blindness to the autonomic response mechanisms drilled into you by the watch tower society making non-bias impossible for you.

  replacing the jw's with some other nitwit scheme of absolute certainty.).

  6. failure to let go of black and white thinking by learning how to see the gray areas between extremes.

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  6. Failure to let go of black and white thinking by learning how to see the gray areas between extremes. (Repair your rational thinking by constant drills.) - Terry

  Hey Terry what are some drills to repair rational thinking?

  Or for that matter what can be done generally to repair it or help it progress?

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Can someone post here a copy, scan or sketch of the WT survey that is being passed out to heads-of-households?

  Thank you. - JW GoneBad

  I would, but our hall just passed out a mini sized index card. It didn't have anything on it.

  Maybe some others can?

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Thanks Stirred and Goingthruthemotions for the updates.

  I talked to a couple of elders today from other halls and found out how things went at their meeting and how they were going to proceed with this new arrangement.

  It sounds like the elders are approaching this very cautiously and looking to report a conservative number to the branch regardless of what the members/publishers report on their slips of paper.

  I think that's funny. The branch is looking for an increase in revenue, but it sounds like they may not get as much as they are expecting.

  One of the elders said their body is just going to take the average of what they were sending last year to the kingdom hall fund and send that.

  They know they can't count on the publishers to meet their pledges. LOL

  It's interesting. When it comes to money, people tend to be able to think for themselves a little more easily.

  Doctrine...not so much.

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Sooooo.....the slip thing happened....

  And.....It was a complete mess.

  The brother read the letter, got confused about the contribution boxes, passed out the slips, was unclear about what to write on the slip, and then gave no instruction whatsoever about what to do with the slip.

  It was a train wreck.

  What's weird is ..I just was not expecting that. I was expecting to be pissed.

  (It wasnt even clear enough to get pissed about) Clarification will be needed in coming meetings.

  So oddly anticlimactic. The relatively smart people were confused. The average dub didn't have a chance to understand it.

  Anyway, that's the update so far...

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Stirred... It will be ok. They probably will not make people turn them in that night.

  Even still, its guilt-tripped obligatory bull crap. I do agree with you that you should go for the part. I think on some level we need to see it happen with our own eyes.

  Just let it come to you and handle it as it comes. Many of us are waking up to this madness at the same time. Me included.

  At least we have a place to vent. Thank you Simon.

  Let us know how it goes for you and I will post updates too. Good luck.

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Stirred....Well the paper slip thing is supposed to be anonymous so even if they give you the paper, just tell them you will pray about it.

  Then drop it in the contribution box or time box or whatever at a later date...(don't know what the official instructions will be at your hall).

  Whatever you do...don't give it to an elder personally - even if that is the instructions.

  If you are instructed to give it to your group overseer or whatever then that will make it a bit more complicated. You will have to get a couple other people to go along with you and drop it in the box so you are not the only one.

  Just some thoughts. Sad what they are doing to people.

  -TE
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  JW.ORG ABOUT TO WIN THE LOTTERY!

  by The Searcher in

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  after the reading out of the letter about the "new donation arrangement" this week, there is going to be a flood of money pouring into the org's coffers!.

  not only from the bank accounts of the sheep, but soon after from the bulk of money in kingdom hall accounts worldwide!.

  question: has anyone calculated how much cash could be grabbed from the 113,823 congregations on earth?.

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  what searcher said...totally agree.

  frankiespeakin - they will just sit on the pile of cash and ride it to a grinding halt screaming "PERSECUTION!" the whole while.

  This GB is set for the rest of their lives. No problem.

  -TE
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  What's Your Scenario For The Watchtower Corporation's Business Future? Will They Survive Much Longer In This Information Age?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the internet a marvel of modern science, mass communication, information at your finger tips is transforming peoples lives.

  but alas the whole thing took the governing body by surprise as they continued to pin their hopes on childishly magical and wishful thinking bible interpetations.. the train has left the station and the governing body are just now comming to terms with it(the internet), while they still demonize it for its freeing power, and plethora of information that doesn't fit with their narrow world view they must still navigate a path that includes or give some recognition to this information source now becomming availible to all all over the world.. how will the watchtower survive all this and still be directed by a bunch of delusional old and odd geezers is beyound me to comprehend.

  what say you?.

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  I think the growth will slow and then reverse.

  I see the collective IQ dropping all along the way.

  They will just spin it into a new storyline - one that is not about growth but increasingly about being the "chosen few."
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Yeah I hear ya -Stirred- about making a comment during the bible highlights.

  You might could even say that it reminds you of the point Paul made at 2 cor 9:7 where he said

  "Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

  Good times....Not.

  -TE