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  Do you think the nepotism and favoritism will stop with the appointing of elders with the new arrangement?

  by toto555 in

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  do you think this is a fairer system and brothers who have never gotten a chance at being elder will finally get it since it's up to the co to decide?

  how do you think that's going to work?

  do you think the favoritism will go away or be marginalized?.

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  TTATTelder

  What made me see the truth about this organization was how corrupt many of the elders were and are.

  I literally have seen it my entire life even as a child. The politics, the power trips and egos, the glory hogs, etc.

  It bothered me deeply that this was going on in "Jehovah's Organization". I could not come to grips with it or make any sense of it.

  Then it finally hit me.

  I always blamed a business's personnel issues on their management. If a climate of back-biting or deceit was present, it usually meant the management was at the least turning their head but more likely that way themselves.

  My point is... that the reason there are systemic personnel problems in this organization is because the problem goes all the way to the top.

  So this small change in the appointment process will change nothing. It even has the potential to make it worse.

  -TE
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  "They've made us debt FREE !!!"

  by gingerbread in

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  so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

  only jehovah's organization!

  isn't this wonderful !!!".

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  TTATTelder

  See, there is not "tithing" or "collections", but they will "resolution" your ass do death.. - Data-Dog

  LOL....So so true.

  Semantic games aplenty in this organization.

  -TE
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  A nice find if you want to dispute the new "Donation" arrangement.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i will probably use this line in my bible highlights tonight!

  it's from the 5/1/1950 wt article " a christian use of material wealth.

  the money which is contributed by persons who accept the printed bible-study helps from jehovahs witnesses aids quite a bit in keeping the work going.

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  TTATTelder

  This would soon be followed by some muttered something about "New Light" and the "Faithful Slave" and "Jehovah's Organization. - Oubiette

  Funny stuff. And very true.

  -TE
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  Do you think the nepotism and favoritism will stop with the appointing of elders with the new arrangement?

  by toto555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you think this is a fairer system and brothers who have never gotten a chance at being elder will finally get it since it's up to the co to decide?

  how do you think that's going to work?

  do you think the favoritism will go away or be marginalized?.

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  TTATTelder

  The CO's will still be dealing with the body's recommendations most likely.

  So I don't see much difference being made unless the CO throws his new-found weight around.

  Have to wait and see what the new procedures will be.
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

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  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Captain Obvious,

  Thanks for the report. That was a brave brother to field any questions at all. I can't believe he did frankly. If the brother in our hall had taken questions it would have been quite a scene considering how poorly he explained it.

  tornapart,

  I agree with your hubby wholeheartedly.

  Data Dog,

  That's freaking unbelievable. What's up with the "Soliciting money? Absolutely not!" as they plainly do just that! Craziness.

  Also strange to see the words Gospel and Grace in the text. So some things change and some things don't (like soliciting for money).

  Thanks for the post.

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  JTG,

  Direct Debit??!!!!!???!!!

  Can't wait to see that survey! Thanks for the report too. It's hilarious how this is playing out everywhere.

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
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  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  Inbetween,

  That confusion sounds just like how it felt at our meeting.

  Bobcat,

  I honestly can't believe those brothers handled it that way. That is absolutely wrong to expect people to come up with a number on the spot.

  Not only is it completely a guilt trip along with social pressure, good luck getting numbers the brothers could actually use. Nobody wants to be seen writing a small number. The real contributions will be 1/4 of that total no doubt.

  -TE
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  Speculation on why now?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
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  in the last couple of years the org has gone money crazy, selling off over a billion dollars worth of property and now a new tithing program.

  just wonder what every one thinks is the reason for all this now?.

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  TTATTelder

  I would add that the elders could still be linked to the wbts through the CO since they manage and direct the CO.

  While it does add a layer of distance, it may just be to dump the workload/responsibility on the CO. That frees up man hours at the branch and all that pesky praying over the hundreds of appointments and deletions. Lol

  -TE
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  A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

  you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

  well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

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  TTATTelder

  It sounds like some congregations asked for the total amount a person could reasonably afford to donate to the local box each month.

  Then from there the elder body will decide on an amount to commit to for the kh construction/remodel fund.

  That sounded more reasonable to me and after looking at the letter again, it may be what the branch meant to begin with.

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  With that said, the most disturbing part of the letter may be the encouragement of any cong's with surplus funds or funds set aside for major projects to send the money to the branch as they will now be financing these projects.

  People are funny when it comes to money.

  Sister "got-an-inheritance" that gave $100,000 to her personal hall for a major renovation may not take kindly to it being shipped off to New York and joining the collective coffers.

  Just sayin'

  -TE
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  TOP TEN ex-Jehovah's Witness MISTAKES and ERRORS of judgment

  by Terry in

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  1. asking the wrong people the wrong questions in search of the wrong answers based on the wrong presuppositions.. 2. failure to realize you can't drive without a steering wheel by facing the loss of autonomy, individualism and self-respect.. 3. self-righteousness in failing to acknowledge poor choices you made coupled with a lack of curiosity as to why and how you made them.. 4. unwillingness to learn what a category fallacy** is in searching for the "true" religion or "correct" interpretation of scripture, etc.. 5. blindness to the autonomic response mechanisms drilled into you by the watch tower society making non-bias impossible for you.

  replacing the jw's with some other nitwit scheme of absolute certainty.).

  6. failure to let go of black and white thinking by learning how to see the gray areas between extremes.

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  6. Failure to let go of black and white thinking by learning how to see the gray areas between extremes. (Repair your rational thinking by constant drills.) - Terry

  Hey Terry what are some drills to repair rational thinking?

  Or for that matter what can be done generally to repair it or help it progress?

  -TE