Posts by TTATTelder

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What's so great about the Elder's School???

by DATA-DOG in

i have a friend who is an eldub and he just completed elder's school!

what did he learn?

as far as i can tell, he learned:.

TTATTelder

Iam scheduled to go but haven't yet.

So this is what I have to look forward to:

1) Guilt

2) Fear

3) Fear

4) Guilt

Sounds like par for the course. It's such a good ole boys club just with religious overtones. Basically it's like there's an unspoken agreement. The Org. will prop up elders and tell the flock elders are used for a special service by Jehovah - if the elders agree to follow their rules and respect the chain of command. It's a "We will stroke your back if you stroke our's" kind of thing. I mean it is palpable when you are in those meetings.

-TE

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Search for GB Fan Name

by sparrowdown in

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justin bieber has beliebers.

benedict cumberbatch has cumberbitches.

surely the ego-stroking gb worshipping fans deserve a name.. gbsters?

TTATTelder

F.D.Assers

-TE

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Thinking about thinking and upbringing

by ballistic in

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i was thinking about being "brought up in the truth" as opposed to joining.. as a child's brain develops, it builds connections based on what it is taught.

these connections are inseparable from the person in that our thoughts and memories actually become part of our personality (who we are).. a very simple example, might be being taught *not to do something* because it "displeases jehovah".

the understanding of right and wrong is then set in the child's mind and built upon.. there are several points of thought i have about this fact.

TTATTelder

We take in a lot of info growing up and afterward. Some of it is contradictory and we usually default to the explanation that came from trusted authority figures. Once we determine that the authority figure was our drunk uncle Rutherford, we allow the other observations to float up to the surface. They were always there, but dismissed and unsorted. It's a long process, but one I believe is doable with enough patience.

-TE

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JW Blood Doctrine Constitutes Idolatry

by TTATTelder in

if you sacrifice your life for something - that is devotion to the highest degree and can in certain context constitute worship.. .

as has been discussed many times on this forum, the blood doctrine of being willing to sacrifice life to honor a symbol of life (blood) is ludicrous (see this excellent thread by cofty http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273265/my-explanation-why-they-got-wrong-about-blood-using-only-nwt?page=1).

it is also idolatry.... .

TTATTelder

matter of stupid ignorant bible interpretation - fink

Cant argue with that. LOL

I don't think it's a huge stretch to say it's idolatry, though. Sacrificing lives on an alter to Blood.

Wacko crap however you slice it.

-TE

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JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

by campaign of hate in

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if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

TTATTelder

For the record I haven't watched a broadcast yet. I just can't stomach it. I passed through one of the hall broadcasts and my blood pressure shot up at the sound of tony turd's voice. Something about "well who is dropping these kids off at university?" like university students are 10 years old. I got out of there.

-TE

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JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

by campaign of hate in

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friends

if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

TTATTelder

ignoranceisbliss -

It is supposed to be for those in the cong that do not have internet. There was a BOE letter that came out suggesting to either have a once a month showing of the broadcast at the hall or to invite these ones to the friends' homes (with internet) to watch it . Since nobody wanted all these crazies at their house, the body chose to have a showing at the hall.

Like there isn't enough to do already. It shows though how much they want everybody watching the official broadcast. It wouldn't surprise me if it started getting incorporated into the meetings.

-TE

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Why are JW talks & publications never uplifting?

by thedepressedsoul in

i was sitting at the meeting the other night and for the first time it hit, jw talks or magazines are never uplifting!

i rarely, if ever hear a talk or read a magazines and have it give nothing but praise to jehovahs servants or just praise jehovah and jesus throughout it.

they never just a read through the bible or just a bible story explained or told.

TTATTelder

oneeyedjoe - I remember a talk like that from a CO recently. Too bad it's like a drop of water to a starving man in a desert.

Notice this reference taken from the Pioneer Meeting outline this year:

w13 8/15 21 par. 12 -
12 Shaming an individual by making unfair comparisons with others, criticizing him by setting up rigid standards, or making him feel guilty about not doing more may motivate him to a spurt of activity, but the results are only temporary. On the other hand, giving a fellow believer commendation and appealing to his love for God can have a lasting, positive effect.—Read Phil. 2:1-4

This was a reference in the outline to instruct pioneers on not comparing one publisher with another in a section about being encouraging.

Too bad the WT doesn't listen to its own advice.

-TE

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Why are JW talks & publications never uplifting?

by thedepressedsoul in

i was sitting at the meeting the other night and for the first time it hit, jw talks or magazines are never uplifting!

i rarely, if ever hear a talk or read a magazines and have it give nothing but praise to jehovahs servants or just praise jehovah and jesus throughout it.

they never just a read through the bible or just a bible story explained or told.

TTATTelder

they had an unprecedented opportunity to build up 1 million JWs all at once, and they squandered it - oneeyedjoe

I agree 100% with this and what toesup said. This could have been a "Sermon on the Mount" moment, and he talks about bright socks and tight pants. It is not only telling of what they have to offer in the way of actual spiritual enlightenment, it is just plain stupid. You have over a million people (customers) willing to listen to you, and this is what you talk about. You couldn't make this stuff up.

-TE

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JW Blood Doctrine Constitutes Idolatry

by TTATTelder in

if you sacrifice your life for something - that is devotion to the highest degree and can in certain context constitute worship.. .

as has been discussed many times on this forum, the blood doctrine of being willing to sacrifice life to honor a symbol of life (blood) is ludicrous (see this excellent thread by cofty http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273265/my-explanation-why-they-got-wrong-about-blood-using-only-nwt?page=1).

it is also idolatry.... .

TTATTelder

If you sacrifice your life for something - that is devotion to the highest degree and can in certain context constitute worship.

As has been discussed many times on this forum, the blood doctrine of being willing to sacrifice life to honor a symbol of life (blood) is ludicrous (see this excellent thread by Cofty http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273265/my-explanation-why-they-got-wrong-about-blood-using-only-nwt?page=1).

It is also idolatry...

Consider this illustration:

A special picture of my wife on our wedding day is certainly a representation of her. It is a symbol that embodies the person, the day, and the relationship. This picture is very valuable to me and I would sacrifice many things to preserve it or not have it disrespected or desecrated. The question is - would i sacrifice my wife to preserve the symbol of my wife? Would I shove my wife out of the way in a house-fire to save this picture?.......

If I did, wouldn't I essentially be worshiping this symbol - not to mention a lunatic?

-TE

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Was Cynthia Franz ever disfellowshipped?

by breakfast of champions in

i seem to remember that she was not ever dfd even though she was present at the fateful meal, but i don't remember where i saw that.

it seemed like they specifically targeted raymond, but cynthia was left alone.. i tried searching jwn, but the search feature seems to be not working.. also tried googling the answer, but to no avail..

TTATTelder

"What if they're right?". I wonder that because I often wonder about myself when that time comes. I feel things have been implanted into our brain so much that it would almost be impossible not to. - tds

If you think this, it is because of indoctrination not because of rational thought. You don't have to lie if you have the truth. Ray knew that. He chose to die poor and happy with a clean conscience instead of a well-cared-for crook.

-TE