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  Is it Humanly Possible, that the writers believe this stuff?

  by objectivetruth in

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  2. beliefs

  as many of you know, whom have been in the org for a while.. the wt is hard coded into your mind.

  sometimes, i will read a wt, to make sure that i hadn't imagined all of the ridiculousness... and then i read a wt like this : http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004168 (is linking to this legal?).

  i especially enjoyed this section : .

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  TTATTelder

  I agree with Phizzy all the way.

  You don't just accidentally fall into this manipulative, propagandizing, deceptive, cult-speak.

  It is written with an agenda. Often the agenda centers around fear, guilt, and control.
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  My confession: How i feel WT makes me a bigger liar

  by Jon Preston in

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  2. friends

  this is difficult for me to discuss.

  i love my wife and i live my family.

  but since i became a jw i feel like ive lied more than when i was "worldy"...is it stress and the relentless pressure to do more?

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  TTATTelder

  I do feel that way also. I don't take it quite as hard as you seem to be describing though. I feel like I am forced to take the cautious position I do. It is not because of any dishonesty on my part, but because of the childish, black-and-white world the org has created that my wife is bought into most of the time.

  I am happy to know now what I know, but the knowledge comes with a large responsibility. I honestly look at it like not telling a child Santa Claus isnt real. I mean at some point you have to, but it would need to be at a point when the timing is right and they are ready.

  That analogy speaks more to the childishness of it all and to the emotional immaturity it promotes. I know it's more serious than that.

  I wish you well. I am still very much in the journey myself. I will say though - just when you think you are cracking - the mind has a way of moving to the next level of acceptance.
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  We Pray For The Governing Body...

  by jw07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the meetings i've noticed over the past 2 years or so brothers asking for 'special blessings' for the governing body.

  it was everyonce in a while at first.

  now it is almost at every single meeting!

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  TTATTelder

  Jw07, funny stuff with the teen - text reference. It really is that way for some, and they are completely oblivious to how stupid they look drooling and fawning over these marketers.
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  What is with the WT obsession with King David??

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems like at least once a month he is brought up as a good example in the study wt.

  it seems like he is given more praise than jesus.

  have you noticed this?

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  TTATTelder

  Thanks BU2B ...
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  The day the music died

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i commented about how the 2008 yearbook gives the story of a girl who is on estonia idol and gives up an opportunity to progress to further rounds because she has a talk on the theocratic ministry school.

  when jws started to study with her, that is the day the music died.. .

  while watching the grammys, though most was trash the music from the 70s was great, i thought, what if paul mccartney's parents studied with jws and paul didn't become a musician.

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  TTATTelder

  Dis,

  A world just as you described but completely dedicated to the GB. As disgraceful as that would be - to both society and God - The GB would have it no other way.
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  We Pray For The Governing Body...

  by jw07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the meetings i've noticed over the past 2 years or so brothers asking for 'special blessings' for the governing body.

  it was everyonce in a while at first.

  now it is almost at every single meeting!

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  TTATTelder

  Yeah I do see it.

  One elder literally said he would follow them off a cliff.

  This brother checks the website for new letters from the branch every few hours throughout the day. Everyday.

  That kind of devotion is sick and dangerous, but is NEVER looked down upon in the org. It is seen as evidence of faith.
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  What is with the WT obsession with King David??

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems like at least once a month he is brought up as a good example in the study wt.

  it seems like he is given more praise than jesus.

  have you noticed this?

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  TTATTelder

  Firstly they see themselves in David for sure.

  "He may have murdered some people and gave in to some fleshly indulgences, but deep down he was a decent guy and Jehovah still approved of him."

  That storyline gives a blank check to the GB. So what if a few thousand people die from their playing around with organ/blood doctrine - that's no deal breaker. If they give in to a few secret fleshly indulgences - meh - no big thing. They can just repent since God knows they're good guys deep down - just like David.

  jgnat,

  I definitely say that the GB on some level fantasize about being God's chosen people like the ancient Israelites portrayed in the OT. It may be the one thread that connects the modern GB all the way back to Rutherford. They all are special to God in their own minds.

  Now that I think about it, it may be some mental illness that convinces them of this. I'm sure it has been discussed here before.

  The delusion is scary.
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  Six word memoirs

  by molybdenum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i came across this concept a few days ago.. it is is the story of your life or some part of it told in just 6 words.. you can check it out here.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/six-word_memoirs.

  thought it might be interesting to connect with life as a witness.. my thoughts:.

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  TTATTelder

  beware the theological tar pit trap
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  TTATTelder

  Any spirit in heaven could post on this thread right now and give instructions of where we all could see a miracle to prove to all of us their legitimacy.

  As a matter of fact, why doesn't someone in heaven write the name of god in the sky and make it stay there for like a month.

  Wouldn't that be easier than all this other crap.
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  Is The Governing Body Over Jehovah's Witnesses A Bunch Of Arrogant Old Retirees Considering After All That They Claim To Be Christ's Right Hand Man Directing His Dad's Organization On Earth?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  these guys believe that they are running and directing "god's organization" and it is all based on some flimsy parable interpetation about a master who left a slave in charge while he went away with the outcome uncertain upon his return.

  not a very solid case to be pointedly honest.

  jesus would have made a better choice of donald trump to run his father's business/watchtower corporation, he's less arrogant and doesn't discourage higher education, and plastic children's toys are not a major concern of his.. what is arrogance?.

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  TTATTelder

  Wow Saul

  High-Horse to the gutter in no time flat.

  You seem unstable. That's ok though. That's what watchtower does to people.

  It takes a long long time to get your head straight.

  The difference you will find here is that we understand and people will be here for you when you hit bottom.

  Hyper-defensiveness of the dogma is your mind flailing and trying to hang on to what another part of your mind already knows is toast.

  jwfacts.com my friend and google " Crisis of Conscience pdf "